Aug 10, 2017|
Greeny & Golic talked about Deshaun Watson's debut, Mayweather & McGregor trying to fight with smaller gloves and Josh Rosen's comments. Plus, the Playmaker Michael Irvin
Greeny & Golic went down memory lane in their final show together. Plus they chatted with Bill Curry, Buster Olney & Frank Caliendo
Greeny and Golic do one more Love It Or Shove It, speak with ESPN president John Skipper and then say goodbye for the final time after 18 years on the air.
Greeny and Golic talk with longtime friend Bill Curry and then bring in Frank Caliendo for one final time and more.
Greeny & Golic were joined by Bill Curry who played a huge role in Mike & Mike over the years. He also talked about what football really means to people.
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We got the final major championship of the golf here on the tee this morning as well and my favorite entertainment story of the year bar none was in my timeline when I woke up today you're going to love it too big Fella how we deal well dual while got to watch a little football last night certainly got its start last week with. The cowboys and cardinals and a hall of fame game a game I was part of so many years ago didn't play I I'd I that was heard at that point put. But I got to see that whole venue and all but out here we go watch more games tonight a rare Wednesday night game. And it was it was fun to watch and it was fun to have and I. As I talked a lot about yesterday guys in the back of the roster this was fun to watch guys at the top of the rock are open to be the top guys in. In Christian McCaffery for Carolina the running back and DeShawn walked to the quarterback for Houston and and while we're gonna get into that I I I quickly want to know there was a great story last night and and it I'm gonna put this over the football. David quiz enter Alia that third day of course David Kuo isn't very good offensive tackle. And I remember watching him in the Senior Bowl 2013. That year after that that season. And it really liked about let electorate from San Jose state it was a from a Biggs the college good looking kid good sized kid. Anyway ended up from San Jose state and that going and had a good good Senior Bowl and a goal in the sixth round of the Houston Texans. That first year cost of because of foot injury. But he hasn't played didn't play the three years after that is used battling cancer. For those three years you've missed his first you're the foot injury and the next three years. Battling cancer and the tactics kept him rather would wave what could rivers bring him back non football injury list. Last night. He play yup last night was his first game in four years the first time you'll be able played football he finishes chemo this past April. Got involved in all the offseason. Activities. And this is the first time back on the field his his family surprised him and going there he said he got pretty emotional when he when he saw that. The players had nothing but praise for this guy. And so to me I I put that is the top of this because whether it makes it humor not Woolsey. But for that bad on that fight to be back on the field would love to do but going through what he went through an agency said all my teammates saw what I went through from. Keep mode to losing my hair to losing weight to gaining it back in and the battle to get back I manipulate to react to best story of last night that David Europe got back on the field. In a org anatomy and things are far more important in the temple there is plenty to get to yes sir with the football though we will do that sucks more than Dodgers win again. They beat the Diamondbacks. They win their eightieth game. In just 113. Tries this season up the quickest they've ever reach that mark in franchise history about this as well that this may be even more impressive they trailed two to one in the game. And they won the game so they moved to 34 and 33 games they've trailed at any point. With a win percentage of 507. There it's better than eighteen teams have overall the last team to finish with a winning record in games they trailed at any point. Was in 98 yankees they were in fifty and 48 so. There Dornan when they believe they're coming back when they don't have the lead they are just absolutely on fire at H I'll Don Zimmerman drove in five last night. Minutes and one win over the Marlins and he now. Goal accused the franchise all time leader broke Tyler Tim walked to take over sole possession of first place on the nationals Expos all time RBIs list. I certainly gonna continue to climb up the ranks he's the leader for the nationals and Expos in home runs and RBIs and doubles. As well he becomes one of three active players who is its franchise's all time leader in home runs and RBIs Evan Longoria with a raised. And Giancarlo Stanton with the Marlins but you know the nationals and Expos franchise but or a little longer they've existed for 49 years. Marlins and rays aids existed for a combined. 45 years at an age or signals that there at to have the players that are the greatest in the in the categories. In the history of their respect. Franchise. All right the golf begins today there is no championship so let's go to Jordan speaking as one chance and one chance only. To become the youngest player ever to win the triple her purse here would be six the sixth the men's golfer in history to win the career ladder to have occurred around like a Triple Crown you right yeah let's let's grab that rhetoric and slam that I can't even say at this point. Which is operates each of the majors at least once. He is to one knee four years old and just seventeen days the youngest now is Tiger Woods. Who is a little over 24 and a half years old. So all that that's what he's shooting for right now. So shockingly copies not the favorite Rory McIlroy who plays well well hollow Barack favorite in this seven of one Jordan's because they too want although. All the regulars who think you know the Dustin Johnson Rickie Fowler's Jason days are are in that group as well but it's Rory. As a favor put street looking to make that young history right Mickelson plays very well on this course as well we'll talk to Andy North about it. Off the top of the next hour but by the time they get to the next PGA Adobe old movie I'll be older than tiger. So this isn't one shot out to be the youngest a Hart Davis Bryant is back Mike he's cleared to practice and play in the pre season at the conditional now reinstate him to have to believe in everything goes well he'll be on the field for the Steelers week Baltimore drug violations or is not all of the whole year was actually told to get off the practice field that bikini camp couldn't practice. With the team. But he's done everything the league has asked so now it's greeted said the league is an okay. You can practice in the pre season you can play in the pre season games got cleared to play in the regular seeking yet but I agree with you. I imagine if if he keeps all the way he's going. That he is going to be allowed and let me die that's a big weapon for them to get the event toward her brow we know that but that would be a nice weapon for them and get back on the field. If he can keep you know keep doing what he's doing aisle absolutely that that. You put him back in that made and they missed it last year with Antonio drama play beyond bell with a healthy band and that's always a question markets of all the hits that he takes. But there's no reason I think they shouldn't be as good as any offense. In the day and a half of the game last night let's pause on that thought here may get what off the top of what everybody's talking about brought to you by O'Reilly auto parts better parts. Better prices everyday because I wanna get into this game. Because as our body marks worth always said these games don't count but they matter right. And I know that you always watch him for understandable reasons you were tenth round draft pick right you watch late in these games you all these guys battling to make rosters. For most of us what's really interesting our quarterback battles and there are some of them around the league and one of them is in Houston. Where Tom savage got the start last night and was pretty good and then to Shawn Watson came in and I thought was very good. And that is going to be an interesting to watch all the way through the next month as I said all along I thought the shot walked that I would've taken him the first quarterback not just because I think he had played early but I I just trust him and I would trust him. Going forward as as well. First time ever listen nine of eleven out of 69 yards so he you know wasn't. Rip and the bald on the field but an and you were certainly under pressure especially early in the game medal line. Are for the Texans struggled a little bit with protection and youth dodging some bullets back there. But he certainly did fine and then to Shawn Watson came in and not tell you what I love the way they started the game with him Rolla. First play. Well half roll out basically no thinking involved pitcher feet wet. Move a little bit with your legs if you get quick pressure you can dump the ball if not usually have one of those dragging receivers coming over the top that usually wide open either mid ranger short. He hit the short route and Oprah are receiver. Easy completion no problem at all. So I really like the way they started that second play looked like a rookie second play it was a seam route up the middle he he knew the safety was coming out to play any overthrew bowl wide open receiver. Third play he did a nice job a pocket collapse around him he he rolled out to the right hit a receiver the receiver had stepped out of bounds and come back imbalance was incomplete but. If he was as advertised and what I saw in college he doesn't get rattled. He smoothie hung in the pocket Igor it was collapsing a bit and and and waded through to get out until we needed to get out he didn't have fancy feet had a nice touchdown run we know we can move. So I like ended up on fifteen or 25 so that 60% completion the best thing about all of that the absolute positive best thing. It's today yesterday. He now has tape to watch and then all the little things that you don't see when your watching the game on TV that he in the coaching staff will be at the breakdown. What relook at why did you look here why did you throw here he had an open guy why so so why overthrow was at the safety did you get spooked by him. What are the reasons that you did what you did that's the great learning curve for him right now is he now has tape to go over I think that's one of the most important thing. Well look I have to believe that if bill O'Brien in his heart of hearts would love to see him win this job done and if you look at those that lack of quarterback consistency that the Texans have had. Under O'Brien you notice that they've had eight different starting quarterbacks under O'Brien get going back to only 2014 the most in the league in that time. And you would think that means well the Babbitt into the playoffs every year they have a mimic the playoffs every single your win a bad division every year. Without any stability at all the quarterback position of Watson wins his job will be the ninth different starting quarterback. In three seasons and won game. And yet it feels like they've got a championship caliber team right around him sort of try to do veteran rookie. Would be something else but it might be their best and most say because some of his throws were were bad throat you know that he he would do that the critical part of his game sometimes that mid range or longer pass and some more work they were flat out ugly. I mean big figures were near the receiver so that's another thing you see on tape saw that he's going to see on tape pathetic kind of followed him. Are from college so they're certainly a lot of work to do or you're gonna sit here and asked me did he win the starting job last summer saying no woman say you saw what you saw him. He can move he doesn't get rattled he can make plays but he also has some inaccuracies as well that he has to work for you out he's got three more weeks to try and win your job. I think he showed you the signs of what it is that make people excited about him is use all of that. On display last night and if you look like a rookie if he is a rookie playing in his first pre season game it would make sense that just look like a road. Where without a doubt they beat the interesting thing on the other side to me or Christa McCaffrey's heated up one catch. This is a guy you keep talking about how how much was it over on the Internet when he won 101 in practice exactly. Right and caught it duke Durham and all that all my got him out of the backfield catching the ball. You have one catch us on seven carries 33 yards tucked in behind nicely I'll show you a little bit later tucked in behind some alignment does a nice job of that. In between the lines going outside you'd love to have some moves to try juke a little bit. But I think he also found out. I'll last night that some of those troops don't work as well at this level you know you have better athletes here and some of the moves that sprung you lose in college. Are going to work here but I thought he did a nice job there will be questions about him. Kenny go between the tackles if he has to and any as I said he talked it nicely behind some of his alignment to get some yards he's good looking kid. Run the ball why haven't some moves has the speed to turn the corner and does have a good start stop arm that will do what Carolina's going to be when cam comes back right at. Now that there. I'm not sure exactly what point you start to worry about that but it feels like very short list of what we start to worry brand new and Andrew Luck right I mean tour you're top quarterbacks young quarterbacks in the league these guys that shoulder issues throwing shoulder issues at a young age gap. You're you're absolutely right when you start to us are to raise an eyebrow let's circle back however for the moment to what we saw from a Shawn Watson last night our friend Louis Riddick was watching closely. Bill O'Brien for some ball forward Shawn Watson was calling plays frontal Tibet you know he pie guy with them for the game and said look these are things that you do well. These things I know that your comfortable with based on what you did in college this would you vote through that so far in camp where he gets you hot right out of the gate. Personally do they move the pocket play action group give him on the program let him run a little bit but it concentrate on half the field that is what would the thing that he really excelled at a Clemson. Then when things broke down a few times you solve very good pocket awareness what are the things that you didn't see with RG three as his career start its progress and and go downhill pocket where does something he really really struggle with. The shots that tonight. When he had to operate from the pocket. He stood in their Paulson and they're strong was not afraid of the rush kept his eyes down the field and put some balls on the money here. It's that's at the end of that third quarter where they have significantly larger and fifteen play drive that ended in his fifteen yard scramble their for the touchdown. Tremendous poise all the things that few saw coming out of Clemson that we all lot of them for Reynolds at this is what he is he showed tonight which is exactly how you wanted to start off. Completely agree I mean could you wanna see you would expect a rookie their first time in the NFL there's going to be some jitters Heidi handle. The lights and and I completely agree and I said it earlier. Is they did a great job of putting him in position to be comfortable with his plays early on. Knowing what he can do and putting your position to do those things as I said some bad throws and your work through that nobody is perfect no doubt about it. But I do like the wages is Lewis said that he stored in the pocket when he needed to he took some hits he didn't bail right away those of the things outside of the statue look for you for the the big word is poised to the app happy feet especially a guy. That can use his legs to do some damage as you saw on the fifteen yard touchdown rod does he rely on it too much does he bail out of the pockets a collapsing too soon he hung in there he took some hits to make some throws down the field so to me he was as advertised both on the good side and where his deficiencies are as while we saw that I think that. It also is a testament to the value of a guy who's just played that much in college completely agree he comes into the NFL so much more ready at least to do backed up. Then the other guys well when you see each Robiskie gets thrown out there with his thirteen games of experience. And if and when we see some of the other young guys in there. Bombed the homes and and on high alert and others and we've seen it gonna go back to Mark Sanchez these guys who did not play a lot in college it it. It sounds obvious to say now but all experience matters and so he's a lot more ready to go. And a lot of these other guys probably will look in their first pastor Mike in my presented by progressive insurance. You can test drive snapshot to see how much you could save before switching to progressive visit progressive.com. Slash snapshot tons and tons more football. That would get you coming up shortly I find myself interested. In this story I find myself. Probably disproportionately. Interested. In this Mayweather McGregor fight I I'm almost embarrassed. You're gonna be quiet so well I a lot of people are gonna buy up it doesn't mean they're already thinking about it now it doesn't mean that any time anything flashes on their time like about it immediately go to it. I find myself intrigued by. This entire thing in spite of myself in spite of my understanding that it makes me a soccer and a boob. I am still incredibly interest at an here's an actual sports part of the story. They're fighting in the state of Nevada and the Nevada State Athletic Commission while at least entertain. The possibility of letting Mayweather McGregor where lighter boxing gloves in their highly anticipated fight later this month in Vegas. The executive director of the the athletic commission. Confirmed to ESPN yesterday. Both fighters have submitted official requests to where eight ounce gloves for their fight on August 26. Bernard at a regulations any fight contested above the weight of 14747. Browns after used and I outlines. This one is gonna be at 154. So they would have to Wear ten ounce gloves they have both petitioned to wanna Wear lighter gloves. Here's a quote both camps have submitted a waiver. By the day we requested the commission will hear both camps reasoning as to why did you deviate from its regulations the chairman will then lead a conversation to blah blah blah. Arguments in favor of smaller gloves we'll have to be weighed against potential concerns regarding health and safety which is the utmost importance to this commission so what do you make. Well what I make of it first I understand the rule collider guys you can use a smaller drugs the big you get the heart of the punches you don't wanna smaller bunkers you're talking about health eroded his head. An awful lot with a smaller club. I'm sure McGregor I devoured their power to start and I'll say all right your sport of boxing but use my gloves and other men are born on my or not you would've loved I think there are three or four ounces or four ounces. In in anime so I'm sure you love that so. There's no doubt he would want a smaller vote to make you feel the punch more. And you know it is far as Mayweather and listen I I'm not a boxing aficionado a few shouted to no aficionado thank you to know all the ins and outs of this but. I do at all you know a glove to want to have we are in each hand over twelve rounds you know can it it's not too loud is may not sound like a lot. But as more to hold mop. You know for all that time and and I'm sure you'd like to feel that the the punch as well even though Mayweather is not known as a knock out guy. You know he has talked about being more aggressive in this fight and he I'm sure he believes because he scored against a guy is not by a professional boxer by trade. That he may have more openings and he wants his punches the landed punches to to feel like I've I just guessing at that I completely understand it from McGregor side of it completely. You know I'd I'd may need may need a little more of a professional in that sport to let me know why Mayweather would say OK yeah although smaller rather as well I'm just kind of guessing there. I'm still picturing Apollo creed in rocky one is not even paying attention as managers saying he doesn't know it's a damn sure oh yeah to stamp my. Everything that Mayweather does I can make up my mind whether it is actually for the the competition orbit two Sundays try to use to sell ice to be everything is knowing this. Is Floyd saying he'll Wear lighter gloves. So that the world will say who table one punch and you never know I mean this is a lighter glove that he is 21 margin in every now and actually soak confident. That is our friend Max Kellerman who has forgotten more about boxing and Oliver now. Max says. If Mayweather does what McGregor to hit him once he won't can't and that's tough to believe but hey you know at prices that are right right right if if it is indeed the case that Mayweather is so convinced them that may not even the least bit worried about it and put on an armoire but that's because you're doing this for tour stop Mayweather actually said he where the four ounce gloves. That. I don't know would that be a Smart move but he's added the four onslaught that they were in MM yeah yeah they settle on him and if you see those laws that you know the fingers are kind of open on that meant that the four ounce padding on the glove. Yet they did says a lot in a restaurant to try and sell this thing but top. Yeah I mean I can have to see if from McGregor side note I don't think that they let accurately asking but if you let them do it I mean this is this is like it it's. It's a boxing match it that was being a officially sanctioned by his commission. But if it's just a pure Schroeder's era and do what they want right I don't think I don't think the boxing commissions. Decision is gonna weigh it's not like all ten outlook on the buy that fight I don't think I don't know how I'd I'd I'd. I don't know what I do I don't know what they because obviously if you. And another thing I don't know is this requested a lot is this is this something that's done a number of times to. Other fighters request to the eight ounce goes over the counts when they're heavier that I don't know because of it doesn't happen a lot. You know and that's something we can obviously find out you know is is it something that the boxing commission doesn't wanna start because that they asked to do it then then. Other groups will dual maybe Ottawa again I don't know maybe it's not a lot and they turn McDonnell. Though that that's part of the story that relief mill. I just read through the rest of the story there is no mention of a crisis summit is commonplace are. Like yeah. And the final major of the golf here the 99 PGA championship begins today first tee times a little less than an hour from now in Charlotte. Jordan street looking to become the youngest male golfer ever to complete the career Grand Slam and as you mentioned this his only chance to do that. Because my next year's PGA. He'll be older than tiger was. When tiger didn't sports at -- brought you by shell you deserve to be rewarded today with instant gold status now savor every fill everyday chill when you joined the fuel reward program a real loyalty program. Join now to reward dot com slash he has yet again. You got Jordan. Rory. Somebody else feel like. Man Dustin Johnson started off the year so well just kind of that he felt on a flight of stairs. That was the end of that. Yeah I you know what I I Jordan's plan for that immortality I mean of the group who we say that nobody. Nobody came in we don't think that match what tiger did for that decade or so well you know here's a guy that can have a better stark. As far as the youngest forgetting all the majors and so I I'd like to see that gave dog I was like when new things are done like pretzels. I don't want them to at a fifth major I know that they're moving the PGA championship. To me and a and the thinking behind that I think is really being driven more than anything by a desire. To grow their FedEx Cup right thing to do it yet I feel the need to explain is I think a lot of casual fans don't even know what here at that exists. But it sort of fair version of the chase they tried to model it on NASCAR's chase for the championship which has been such an enormous success for them. With golf clinic people focus so until the gonna move that thing up into August so does compete with football which in and of itself I think is a sensible thing to do. But I don't think it's gonna make people excited about that none at all I listen you're difference in the game golf I'm I'm more I like it more than a casual fan but I am not really interested in effects no one is -- either too much for me at all mean either I am not anymore necessarily interested in those events than many others a watch if it's on right but I watch the majors much want it to the majors and the Ryder Cup what most people really aren't you right when it comes to golf so that part the conversation is in. To the at a fifth major to they make the players championship a major they've they've people sort of cold at the fifth major for a long time to actually make it major. And the concern with that is if there was all the records are I don't like I don't know why you would do that I'll just try and bring a little more otherwise you're looking at us and your major championships gonna be played over three month period and then you've got nine months of the year where you don't have any of that and and on Ryder Cup eager people to go oh way that I guess is the concern anyway it will talk to Andy North about it a little bit. Some Twitter reaction 1800flowers.com. Twitter feed a lot of people pointing out to west might. Including this one from James Mayweather has fought at 147 we use that he's accustomed to those gloves yeah. Throughout his group report yup so it would not be unusual for him it might actually be more comfortable what used to doing for him Bob treat that as the reason it doesn't care about the size of the clubs is because he's not gonna get hit don't you understand okay about things that he is not gonna get it at all and it's ridiculous to me that's a ridiculous statement to say he will not gave it one time. Now what may be your definition it hit hard you know jarring hit you know whatever your definition did to think that that. I mean. I know that that McGregor is not a professional boxer but he boxers as part of what he does sort of thinking is not going to land a punch to me. Is ridiculous. I do think he's cardinals and few punches in this Woolsey. One another instant reaction to Shawn Watson's performance last night CME street mr. John still has some things to work on bodies better than savage. Big Mike to a tennis tradition on the steel. Of the draft he was a first run them out for him pitch like he could call on that considering all the guys one at a it's certainly possible you know wasn't wasn't the first quarterback nick but let us in the second sit in the middle the first round is tough this. You know a first round they're still expectations it's just a matter of what you realize those expectations so. I don't know if I would I would go back part to it and not at all ominous sit there and say right now insert him in there and he will lead the team better than concept. Because. Give it a little more time I'm not making the decision after one game last night meanwhile. The Denver Broncos of the team that I was referring to MIT's as a team with Super Bowl aspirations. That may be trying to trade for quarterback. The quarterbacks on their roster include Trevor Ximian instead of fourteen games for the last year pact and lynch. Who started Q and then a couple of other rookies including Chet Kelly a well known of whom. Not much is expected certainly not this year. So there was a report that the Broncos regrets of pursuing a trade. For AJ McCarron. Was the highly thought of back in Cincinnati. The team resources has disputed strongly denied that report. As the story memory here says as they should even if it's true. So just have to wait and see how it plays out. But I guess the point is if your Denver you're John Elway you don't have confidence I don't know if that necessarily means you're admitting a mistake with pactel you know or just that. Everyone said when he was drafted is gonna take a long time now so maybe gonna one here is not long enough. John Elway himself to greeted rumor of us being interest and anyone other than quarterbacks we have is another example of responsible fake news. Which is the these mr. George go to lines but let's say one way or another. What do you make of it here's the deal if if if in fact you destroyed your look commitments at trading for and AJ McCarron who's a young quarterback. I figured yeah I think I think they're you have to look at and say it was pacts and lynch the right move to make. You know was that the guy. I'll keep repeating though you don't draft a guy even in the first round at quarterback. To be a star his first year in this case the second year you want them for the next decade but at some point. Do you who need to start seeing a return. You know if it's not even the first round you can go on the second round electric Christian hack and burn with the jets are like okay. Yeah I didn't hit him in the first reached the second or you know let's let's start to see won't we got here. You know you can't you can beat your old three to five year waiting period you know that did it doesn't happen it's it's a joke anymore you gotta. Either get going right away during that first year of not. By that second here you've got to have a little more command what's going on I I certainly had my thoughts and worries about excellence and I set him. When that draft was going on I would not have taken him. In the first round. But Woolsey it but if you trade for a young quarterback you're not trading you know from the parent like you are for Jay Cutler for. Fil a this year coming no system under an overall from there but AJ McCarron you'll be saying well this could be our guy at that your god image of first round pick isn't your guys so. That would be saying yeah have we we may have missed on. Or you may be saying I've got a Super Bowl caliber defense and I didn't go to someone someone right now took into a little better than what we have here will say okay. So that's one again John always calling it fake news lets you want that happening. Elsewhere in another quarterback note there was a story earlier this week that I think. The most important piece of it. Was overlooked and that is we saw an interview in which Johnny Mann Zell said he's considering coming back or that he would be a Justin coming back as a coach coming back and coach college coach probably on the college level. And unspoken and then I guess is. All these quarterback conversations or these openings all these teams. All the discussion about Miami needing a quarterback and where will Colin care critical and his team and all that. His name doesn't even come up now. Never never never even mentioned for a second and so that leads to the question. Is it over is it just done as is his is the notion of him coming back and playing in the NFL over which wouldn't surprise me and if it is. Do we have to start talking about. One of the great busts of all time. For got to win the Heisman to be as highly touted as he was to be a first round pick and start only eight games now in a whole history of the NFL. And quarterbacks I should say drafted from 1998. Through the present time. They're only three quarterbacks drafted in the first drugs started fewer games than Ansel Jim drunken Miller only started one bright Dan McGwire started five Andre ware started six. Partner and of Richard Johnny mental started eight. By comparison JaMarcus Russell started 25 yeah there was the first pick in the draft who overdone anyway when one examines yeah but but here's a guy who came in with. As much hype forgetting where he was drafted me was a first round pick and as much hype as anybody's shoes is Jersey was outselling Tim Tebow jerseys. And he's gonna wind up starting eight games and go away and never be heard from again well I listened. It would not surprise me because much like when Tim Tebow won the first round and John him and men's element for try I I couldn't believe it as a lot of people couldn't put it only takes one team to make the move. But there are a lot of people that thought neagle one of those guys should be for tropics anyway. Oddly you know they would affect not just not first rounder but later in the draft picks. To me so then going in the first round was it was ridiculous and it kind of bear itself out there. In all honesty now now. Tim Tebow was dealing with the fact that that he was struggling deposition no doubt about it that that was been the main thing and we know. What followed wherever Tim Tebow went. But you know he struggled at the position. And for John mentality struggle that the position and he's got all the offseason. Off the field issues going on a well as well. If these guys wanted to play in the after their position you need to show some. Okay because they didn't they both showed they struggled passing the ball so you're position in my mind. You wanna play I mean Tim Tebow didn't wanna change positions certainly his right to appoint an hour he's in baseball. But people were saying about him and people say it about mental you wanna show you could pass or play Canada. Where they throw the ball all the time. Go play there and others a two year thing they're written C which you can work aroma tips to your show he can throw the ball. You know you do showed you for Jon Heyman so you showed you don't throw it very well you show you have issues. Gobi somewhere where you could prove to throw the ball. And don't have any issues but he hasn't so who's taken that chance who's look at him in San. Yeah. Last we saw him wasn't a whole lot he's not shown me anything okay. He's showing some video of him working out the sand somewhere that's not gonna make me so I'm now a team could do that. And because you don't it's it's no. Great loss if you end up caught you re not you're not that likely cost you a lot of money. But again is he worth bringing what comes to town with him even if it's for short time. I I don't know why these guys truly want to say you know what I can play quarterback in the NFL. Right now nobody thinks that complain the NFL if you really want to go pro Canada. Bigger field. With the ball always go sure you can throw and I bet you'd have a job in the NFL or at least a shot to have a job in the NFL if you go prove you can throw the ball. How many quarterbacks I don't know this is some of the can be looked up quickly or not. I've been drafted in the first run and be completely out of the league this. Three years. Seasons and he's from an absolutely you know his name and even come no I mean not at all not covered it even now like into his name type in connection coaching I don't even think of him right. And and now it's at. He's coached. I what happened or trying to be back it's like everyone has just given up on that very notion well prewar halfway through another baseball season and we're really seeing some players who stand out as winners don't like business travelers to win a business by staying at liking to it in and sweet that's because you can import your liking their returns loyalty points to work on the spot with instant free nights just drive up with no reservation at instantly redeem points for a free night that same night simply by using electing to actually getting a Grand Slam with a -- instead of a bat well played better when a business by learning more about instant free nights and check out the summer rates at LQ dot com. OK keep your Clinton can't I want to assure you my first ever painting right okay. Over here. Oh. Tell. Owners can't do it and she Sylvia asked what do you think. I like Powell. If he raised a guy could you could save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico because saving 15% or more car insurance is always agreed dancer. We got a lot of football still get through this morning and we will Brian Billick will join us Damien Woody Michael Irvin all that whole lot more support to a reaction. As returned back to amend the sports topic. Of the date shall rise to meet the tiger effect had a lot to do with him being a minority in effect on golf we need another minorities superstars there was way more that would went into it outside is being viewed the most dominant golfer and it appeared it's time we see without question it was to use an overused phrase the perfect storm of circumstances. And make correct we will not be that even another player in Georgia beat to win at the rate that tiger won and I don't think we're gonna see anyone win at that rate. Those guys come along maybe once every thirty years or so. Even if it speak to anyone currently on the two would win at that rate they wouldn't have the impact port that it would agree with that. What else are we got here Dave because the ground spotted at that height does it mean and was worthy of being a first round pick on like blindly listened to a completely wrong. The browns felt he was an abort. The broad sell his play on the field the browns and wrap him in the first round because. Him being good you know guys went out and add on that one eyes and they broke about football player filters for tropic it was a bad. They felt it was worthy and what politics is one person. It was the same way you know with other quarterbacks that we talked about failing in the first round. Those teams felt they were first round caliber player and aren't the only ones he was gonna go in the first round. I remember that it was a surprise that he lasted as long as he did. In that draft that year. Around the world sport took over under at Rajiv liking the book at LQ dot com and waited businesses that was put together. Wanders for a year let's see which way ago. I'm touchdown passes that Jay Cutler will throw this year. Their plays the over under 21 and by the way is the number of touchdowns. He threw his last year with Adam gazed. At this offensive coordinator in Chicago in two point fifteenth so. Touchdown to take this year to when he won over under control over I think he has better cast around him so I do think we'll shoot at a protection he gets from the line. I think you know sacked nine times by sheer lies plentiful sees the program name number. Saw ominous say the same thing I like his weapons and I I think it will be over. The big question there are staying healthy verdict that the one that would worry them dollars. And I guess at the ban on an element that well it's also would go over. About the number of interceptions he threw eleven that year. With Adam gave the over under on Jay Cutler picked this year is a lot and he goes over that as well I do think so because I think. And that last time recently was six and are right you think this team will be fighting for a playoff spot. Not the divisional and that college age line is yes he has by. To make a threat to make some plays. Throw the ball effort team that's going to be in a lot longer believe that news you know team game in Chicago when he had this year. So well I'll I believe that relate to more to say this I don't think anyone has ever gone broke betting on Jay Cutler throwing text. Go over as well. Next over under is a 116. And a half. That's the number of wins the Dodgers finished with this season the record. Is it 2001 mariners to 116. Right now there on pace to win a 114 and a half games. How that is 214 and a half games they play an odd number of games that. To that are there eighty and 33 right Perry in 33 so a top 113 games so they have 49. More to go right. Can organize more to go so they need. For the 37. Wins to get honored in seventy. I'll buy that well I mean age of 3770. It's gonna they gonna break the record an out and they're so far ahead that they won't have to play you know late in the season. And so I agree they will not an. Having him on new policy need to win 37 of their last 49 games to do go under as well the Q loss to a summit adamant ago under edit your 49 games they need to win 37 of them to break the record I'm gonna say that it over there 217. Games has never been done in the history of the sport cabinet that he undergo leave it at that. Next over under at minus twelve. The final score but for the winner of the PGA championship this year since 2000 the average winning score to par is basically eleven under. Partly by far the lowest of any of the major championships and the winner beat twelve under and I'll I can I don't know about the course of the typical lazy an announcement at a edit I wanted to be thunderbird it's going to be. A matter of be considered under or let me ask your daughters to war Iraq then then I'm with you next over under on the number of wide receivers. That will go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame next year at one and a half remember Randy Moss is a first time eligible next year. Terrell Owens is inexplicably still not in. There will they both get in next year over under one and a half I'll go under to law I hate to ask you this but what's the last time two receivers one in the same year. Sure to happen if one recently that just now remembering. But that it's hard to get those guys in debt and I think and I figured just be one mean. Remember how long CC it took him to get in and and and a lot of these other guys. Which level of people that put Boston in his first year and jump from over TO an example loss. With markedly better player than TO I listen I don't wanna see a markedly I think viewers a better player. Genteel I would take him but did that like splitting hairs but I absolutely. Now it's awfully rainy Boston have a few issues himself. But I absolutely think these voters are really old real life again TO. I agree I'll go under our last one over under on the number of total points. The jets. We'll score this season. The over under is a 140. That is the record for the fewest the 1992 Seahawks. Scored the fewest points and a sixteen game season with a 140 will the jets break that record over under. Under an important story under a 140. Actually get a say over because I think. That Seahawks team had a great defense so they're playing in close games. I think that the jets are going to be in so many garbage time games they'll score garbage time points. They'll go over a 140 but not by much if not by much. I that might present at progressive insurance our guests like Brian Billick on the shell Pennzoil performance side he'll join us and just a couple of minutes. The shot Austin and action last night those with a sunny SP and stooges are delicate agree. Breakdown of what we saw from Watson again I was very impressed. Wasilla Brian Billick thought of him but now again missed some throws but but he did exactly what I thought he would do we shall poise in the pocket is a ton of experience and experience in big games. Missed some open receivers. And I need to work on but the main thing is was he throwing to the right receiver that's overtake. Bad throw that's on your work out where you're throwing the ball to the right guy did you not stare down the guy you're throwing to these are all the little things that he's now been able film that it would be gold for him all right so we'll see that's an interesting quarterback battle there're fewer of them around the league. Maybe none of the Mort just again that when you consider the Texans are Super Bowl caliber acting and if they get represented at quarterback play. And again if he starts we won he'll be the ninth quarterback to start under bill O'Brien and finally got their and 2014 at the most of any team in the league. And their perennial playoff team. So to have that kind of instability at that position and keep winning. Pretty unusual. In the NFL so we'll talk about that would meet them have been trying to get to this Charles Barkley sent all day long let's get it in here. Charles Barkley and NB ATV reacting to all of the rumors that really rumors at this point the reports. Larry Irving wanting to be traded away from Cleveland and the belief that maybe it's because. He has wanna play under the shadow of LeBron James anymore here with the thoughts of Charles Barkley. You won't be only good team. You walk the plea would all the great fierce. This notion where you want to beat the man is odd to think is so it's stupid like. I got sent to play well another great player I want to do that. I mean you know it is just that is to win when you're on a bad team and he was thought they had indeed the man I guarantee that wasn't a lot of fun boredom. And now you wanted to lead the best player in the world. You know and listened. In on the other stuff about the broadcast of vick's shadow issue it capped a big shadow. What's interesting here is I remember Charles had some issues of I remember correctly were to rant leaving Oklahoma City right in going to yeah. Going to go to golden Golden State tour so what did you just in a vacuum so you have a guy who. You want you you're ever to set I'll stay there and do it stay there and beat a man and beat the best and he went to join others. Now you have a guy in Cleveland who says I wanna go beat the man somewhere exactly what laudatory to do. And he's getting criticized for that now. The difference is that the rant. Had Westbrook and they had gold say down 31 so they were they were fair I mean a lot of people thought maybe after it stayed maybe they could have taken him. This year and we saw the team that job carrier ring had without LeBron James downward wrapped. And and thinking of he's gonna also more beat a man with northern star for Rodham that team's doctor to be very good either so. It's interesting because this is now the other side of course. Here's what this history would be more like your point Kevin Durant went to Golden State stepped curry wanted to set I wanna be traded yeah that's that's kind of like what this would be I'm supposed to be the man here and I got another guy who's the man my personal opinion. Is that this has and look it's not like I recalled me the other day we had this conversation. But I think this could be a battle a lot less about being the man than it is about looking at the future of that team and not liking it. What did you see this thing or the promise weeks at the Internet on fire. By PG rated that he want to c'mon play some groups of people. And he made some reference to a one I'm back home in LA will play and the whole world went crazy yeah LeBron James is referring to LA is back home. Is in Cleveland home this must mean he's go to Los Angeles were reading and everything that knowing I think the carrier Irving is saying. I got one more year LeBron here and then he's gonna be gone and there is instability in the organization. I don't have a lot of confidence in the front office they fired the general manager every 23 Joshi are. And if I wait until next year they'll never let. Meego and that's I think I'd agree with you there if he's looking at that crystal ball saying I'm not gonna be a knock and we don't get out of here. But I don't go to I'm not gonna be over get out of here in this team is gonna revert back. Two with the with the instability to something that's not very good. So I may want to get out I I I I see what he's saying their because. Just that face value say well what are you know the your order the finals and you never know what can happen but he's looking past that year but I think now. And may may be used you know so it's easy for us to sit here and say look. Just play one more year with LeBron trying to win a champion play and that he's looking at it and saying we can't win yet a plus an offense that traps me. Here and the team really falls off the table and more. That's what I think it's about. Because it's not like Harry doesn't have an enormous brand it's branded predicament that's that's the good word now consider his brand is ridiculously successful issues sell like crazy he is a mega star globally. He's he's he's the real deal yes LeBron is the biggest star running team but curry is still I would say eight. Verbally one of the what ten biggest stars in the NBA but would you say higher than that would be one of the landing wise or seven yeah. I mean how many see how many uneven exactly how he wants a priority issue sales at all and I did you all that and everybody up and so it's his brand is suffering for playing with LeBron dollar that's very true the best thing you can do with your brand is be playing in the biggest games of the year right. So when you're playing in the NBA finals that's an you know twenty million people are watching each of these candidates if you weren't in thirty games through thirty games a year then not so much tackling now as open. I I find it all very curious that's why I think. Again this is just guessing I'm not a reporter I'm not an insider I'm listening what all these other people closer to what are saying. Com and and trying to Drudge from the outside. It would make more sense to me. That he is looking at this thing and saying I got to get out of here because it's about to become a worry you're away from becoming the worst team in the NBA and I'll be dock here. So let me try get out while the getting is good to get to a place where we can build something the next this whatever it is and Minnesota would be that San Antonio are real wants to play with pop up play for pop. And play with coli Leonard they'd be very good so some of the places that we've birdies interest in going make a lot of Arab because we do a show we won a little bit of drama I'll Cleveland says we're not trade era or roll back the files with you let's let's all be professional about this sincerely I have to believe. Because we have Stephen they when he was all of this yesterday that even they said they basically have no choice but to trade him now. You know if I guess it depends on what you get back right I would trade if I'm Dan Gilbert I don't trade him or give more personal one day old George you know netted for Indiana great I mean no way great if you get a really really good package if you got a treasure trove of pigs and young players aside like that you wanna build for the future. OK now we can talk but I am not just get rid of him to avoid an uncomfortable so I worry that. I was zero winds up happening there are just thought it was interesting to hear what Barkley had to say meanwhile Mike Mike presented by progressive insurance and you know now. It is the football exists because we are pleased to welcome back and the shell Pennzoil performance I'm from the NFL network. Our friend Brian Billick Amara Bryant. Good morning guys you have to touch it you know the clock dust off the crank it up again we have football. Here we go football indeed we have him we are watching. Last night the first NFL action Puerto Shawn Watson is a highly touted rookie honor really good team and will he win that job and Mike did a really nice break down. But his performance to get a chance to see it what did you make of Watson last night. Got a peek at it you know it would you look at. You know perhaps raw Cappy who was gonna pass out. The best opportunity. To succeed in the first year you're gonna Mitch trip it's huge cut on all of a issues going on each copy got a note cook it in the Tokyo or shall watch with the team he's with the way they play defense you know you're not going to look. The precinct to put this ship mixed currently has the physical abilities. To extend plays sought to stand placed outside the design the off that ball as quarterback. He certainly in the rights that you wake. To be the most successful quarterbacks take the first right. So all I as one of the things I said was the most important thing got a last night as he now has some game tape to be. To be oh look Jack and corrected so take a city that film room today with the O coordinator of a quarterback coach whoever's going to be. Sitting down at the rookie in what you're looking at a what you're looking for. Him to learn. Well you know again you don't make plays outside the pocket in the pocket you you really that the real progression and it's not gonna happen all jokes yours that orchards one preceded it. But recognize those things that okay how you operate our in the pocket are you are you set your feet like a big and climb the pocket property or keep yourself. A chance of getting the ball thrown on obstructive. Or who are holding on that's a picnic for rookie of the pocket. Couple leave which you see indicate that point we can anticipate a little bit were all away from that but that's what they're recession and that go with them now now what did you see and and and why did it takes a walk is quote correct because obviously you know holes. And that windows to throw the ball into or much quicker you know so so he's gonna have to trust is it looks trust what you. We're college. Net with the door. Quote tight gonna get used to having the conference calling it the more he sees that actually happen. Games but it could creator it is Israel felt such which have to verify OK yes he did cheapest this listed. Go all the time we practice you know going to put the ball in this situation certainly mistakes. You know or our problem is more valuable than anything that you couldn't do this rookie wide at this apple was at that he did you rush the wrote each. Change its own action did you force the ball too situation so. You're still draw post war struck to the successes. Hard to there's his first action last night to get seven more games. On the schedule tonight we'll see when we start to see some of these other. Young quarterback then there's a not so young quarterback the dolphins coach through the broadcasting ranks to bring Jay Cutler out of retirement. And a situation where they desperately needed someone and he's got the relationship with the head coach what did you think of that movement what are your expectations. What makes sense because as compared with player. System. So yes and and Jay Cutler you know that was an outline Tenneco will come back or how. Well how he will come back you know list of questions about his ability. Repeat that top level quarterback. Jay Cutler we've seen signs of that and certainly his superiority not OPEC will while I was given that the crew. Spent an entire offseason not G workers Parker rushed back Q had you know what he'd had a chip I think church. I say. Jay Cutler reminds who open a chip Jordan which is atop an out you know some people on you know they are popping ability but sometimes it's like or the that we can't. He's got that ability. And and compete try to play pretty good football team with bassist and he's very familiar with it certainly make. You know obvious sense for Adam case to go back to Jay Cutler compared to some of the Iraq. Right had a hell I after this year they can get out from under that contract without losing anything he's played. Five years for those years. Sixteen games last year thirteen games right have you seen enough awry can help for you to make a decision on whether he'll court record Humana. While dark guy he would be really needed this year to about it certainly seen the progress and and I Michael back line and like I do like chanting kill the crap well I. I just thought he was taking. Hi we were a year where a lot of players got hold up that early part of the ground. What the Christian Ponder. She Jake Locker. Right in the bank group and all those guys in regular draft. Might have been. Struck out there which would and its people place that it has you know the good players. Like but I had questions about that being drafted this case go hide in August did have a lot to go up because basically once you start so we've seen the slowly. Gresham computing better and what the quarterback crisper that a case they finished the season bearish talks that could be your glee. Importance to prohibit whole walk straight yet that got it yet have a ride and yet our guys that that two or 100 million dollar. Contract. Mike in my Brian Billick is what this. And then there's Tom Brady Tom who is still performing at an elite level is one to the last three championships as the best player on his team. And turns forty years older he's gonna try to do stuff that has genuinely never been done before no forty year old quarterback has ever started a Super Bowl. Almost no forty year old quarterback has ever started a playoff game so few of them have started in the primary starter. Throughout an entire NFL season. I guess if anyone can do it Tom Brady can do it what are your expectations for him for how long he can keep this thing going. You know to try to get one Tom Brady and and as we also know Bob I've said that it is got a couple points. Well obviously you can't do it or at least through that the level that he expects to. Which for Tom Brady perfection as the years. I'd imagine Tom Brady won't know what he's done a great steps cycle fort mediocre any of us do but yeah. Yeah you're you're you're achieve some schools school if you think you're gonna get a credit Kirk and say oh yeah I think this is your top Britons go for a walk just because there's an arbitrary number of their forty will court. Can't perform the same level. I'm not gonna make that call. Those who wait trains that we operate what you protect themselves. Like if says I think she couldn't go with what yup but yet. To the point or a whole lot of a spark it will be that every row and if he has great game you know article that they. Any number please. Now all that's we. You go now don't you look saying a lot about you gotta let it sort of went. You know that that's the thing that's going to I know he's go out higher. Selector that's Bill Belichick about as you have a lot of patience quote. And we all. We all these kids you know when we think we've seen something. That really isn't fair ad and now decide how Toppert. You know having said that. They go into this season as prohibitive favorite. As I can ever remember an NFL team being it's it's almost like they're the Golden State Warriors. A football do you view them that way do you view the league right now as New England. And then to some degree everybody else. Oh yeah that event and when it what he's asking about this track it's tiger esque you know termed you know to reverse the fuel. And I think you know they could or will support that the perception. You know like last year I got movement trouble last year. So what you predicted that it Cleveland brown go forward sixteenth of course I was totally off they wanted to. But I it. I said look I I would never predict he goes six you know it's a cheap too much respect for the week. And the keys in the week to do that the last year I've made the observation about Cleveland what I don't feel I don't feel we've. And and at that that's where my you know like they protection was that the struggles. With New England on the flip side of that. I won't fail I don't feel watt senior. But I don't know that there be favored in every game going down the way I don't have a schedule right club but it though they've got a they've got to top stand there are. Where they travel. Either Denver or quarter pistol weren't there. You know what you are what you forget the home. Just mark the office when you know you just how you could edit its property Hulk so you look at the road games when their plate that was standing. And and you could take Kate about her aren't willing to bet right now on he went skiing in one. Not going to win so does that mean you think it was fixed you know though. And there's some stumbling blocks there before that they might start closer look at I think the scary they'd be be a better balance work if you don't want Super Bowl last year. There at New Orleans in September there are at Tampa and the jets in October. They are at Denver on Sunday November 12 there at buffalo. On in December so this is to brought in at Pittsburgh Sunday December 17. So there were a couple of games and everything will be the favorite to release there yet I'm just I just looking at the is reading our road. But I just schedule there's skip that one because it's a given you could have done by the jets now here I. As bad as the browns were last here are the other jets this year's round. Simply do it like that screen predicting that the jets were upset that we're patriots we have about ten it's that it's a back. Though the jets are interstate. In the sense that. Yeah that this it's kind of hard to see. Where of their wins are gonna come on you talk about Chiba you know that person but obviously it again like we mica a Republican senate would go at sixty that you could have schedule where they are right now I've been that way I would look at it. For plot that's a tip by the plate yet. And have a defense support I need to stop. What you do the Belichick Keyon you know we got stopped which you bet capita stop the IP network beat Japan need to stop their. And I you know you fill in the blank. There is no answer and I mean if Matt Forte is the only guy in the conference that anyone America's ever heard right so the answer is there is no it. Let me just get this mr. Hendrick. How are. I and not on it not only NFL stardom but obviously college high school. Youth football as well and and one of the things we talked about it better equipment for these players and I know you have some available room. Collapse will you know we've got to take again but it level talking about doing with the camp that's the right thing to do which puts priority on shall. Which have changed support yours until now. Extent patents. Is that next. Iteration of shoulder pads from the pro level we got 28 teams in the NFL is that or apologies 150 high school. Particularly with the young high school players should be departure players in the east pats beat at the expert the talk technology. Bob Roberts has done an unbelievable job. Monica well with the with the giants he quit after they've put together just that next level of protection. Four players with you expect patch for the extra pat dot org by double. 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Reading calls a good thing I was gonna caller I don't you want to chat and we got things to catch up on this afternoon but now I will be otherwise occupied. Candidates are delighted to welcome into our studio our friend Damien Woody was here to talk some football and more how I view and good morning good morning I'm out of love and it. The most a muted on Chris McCarron a lot Poland. Loaded out and it got blown people out of the club I don't like to say I don't like that Gloria is some good blocker and and that alive which will be interesting what the polo Brothers now. Mexico they brought it left tackle and a shaky and a soda cell. It's going to be interesting that the left tackle position out there how that works out. There was one play that you showed and and again for those to be with us on radio Mike broken all down on ESP into. I'm where Christian McCaffery got kind of low. And from the oncoming angle that you were able to show you can't see. Are you physically can't even he's ducked down behind a couple of line that was it was a back right guard and a tight and that were pulling through or he just got down local Lima did a nice job sealing. The tide and his ranch or he just stayed right behind a nice job just knowing more you are and not not bouncing out of that just just trust what's in front yup agree Joba blocked by the O line and just follow for you are a defender and how did you were basically on the line of scrimmage. But for the guys who were coming up to make a play the linebackers. And the guys in the secondary. If if this Metallica ridiculously obvious question but if they can't see him. I have to believe that makes a big difference right and he's kind of ducked himself download there. And it it's a it's a global strategy it does you know where he is and you get exactly anti Islamic what you're telling exactly or anywhere areas and then you just have to get to him but it's certainly better to see him there. When you're trying to get your hands on that for sure I'd or will we got a bunch of that going on the real reason damion we want to get too and you're today and we can talk about a bunch of the NFL topic. But I was just sitting back and enjoying you on Twitter yesterday damage have very good to order followed by the way. As you are just getting into with a lot of people over the commented Josh Rosen do you feel like quarterback and Mike and I talked about it at length yesterday as did. Almost everyone around the world of sports. But the the part that got most people's attention was basically his belief to them all up. That football and school content to me that this is a combination that is a bridge too far. In some ways and that it like having two full time jobs for those who can get a chance to hear your thoughts he wouldn't and to follow you when Twitter what was you'll writing worked. It you know what when Alice come out. On a topic you know assaults on the comments. What do solves a lot of regards takes an up my platitudes but people all world you know you'd. I did so you can do. And all of those type bush you know those type of statements. And it's almost like it's just they're just trying to dismiss when you say and what and when I felt like. He had meant that some merit but how would you say. You know I look at Josh wrote and a lot of collegiate athletes on one of the things one an interest in a rest and things that I saw was. To his point. Academic scandals that that's been going on in you know appointed noted and head on Carolina Carolina and part of reason why you know odd wobble schools of had it not one bit of fun institution you talk about some of the best institutions country. But also because the workload that these guys have to have to put him home you know with there. The football commitment and be in Austin you know so when you're when you're a student athlete in this situation. Not just be going to be universities and in trying to make do but now you tackle and did the amount of hours at the at these guys had to make some Tom's. As you get a beer JPEG into your at this specific course that you got you have to take in north to gradually whatever it where it is that you wanna do. Many gets taller. It gives it gets so it gets so much harder that would just feet from a lot of programs. Big trouble funnel guys into bite these general studies type type deal. Why because they just trying to keep eligible. And immediate I think the does that take a step further to me this is a bowel. A labor situation me because I look at. A collegiate football is just a developmentally. It's a development league guys aren't being compensated. War. Out what the revenue that they're bringing it. People try to make apples to apples comparison that all you can comes in a scholarship column to me is gossip does not compare to the billions of dollars at the collegiate. You know football players are just briefly for the university's. And I think that if you ask if you ask a bunch of guys right now. If they could concentrate so willful bull. All war to go to have to go to school in order gets it and thought guarantee. God would grab it just costs treats sold laughable if there was a developmental league folded national football. It would but there isn't I mean what we can try and make up anything we want to reveal when when you say you've heard people saying the whole thing will we did it we said. Thousands thousands of people have done this and it's no harder to Delhi. It's still twenty hours it was twenty hours when you when I played it was twenty hours today. And quite honestly I bring in other sports as well that I think workload than football players who hit twenty hours. And are able to go to school and able to get it done some things he said. He's absolutely right and they have been right for decades you can break new ground here. You know do guys get pushed are these your class is absolutely. Other academic scandals. Absolutely. Do some guys just wanna go and stay eligible so they can be ready for the NFL or have a shot at all. Absolutely that's not breaking new ground. To me to sit there and say it can't be done to me is a slap in the face all of us who have. Don't know thousands that have dot how and I will say this what I will see on that I think he could've chosen his words better in that regard. But I think you can't dismiss what he was sent to conduct they would he was saying when he was alluding to. Does have married to a gift for me right look at this look at the pitcher. All of labor. You know destined destiny is is the biggest issue in this whole thing is the labor. You know you hit argument 00 he's got a going to school for free no there's no in this whole notion that Gaza law. You know born to school for free free to visit the definition of free isn't this the expectation anything returner. Greatest no free year this. Guys have to fulfill certain obligations. That you know our I just guitar in that they got that that statement from people buy all these guys is go for free. Was not the case you know there are obligations and because they meet those obligations and and Ornette the pay tuition. For the 99%. Of that don't make it to the NFL they have no student loans to pay. There's value to that it wanna compare to the billions that they're making and they get a bigger piece I've. Listen I'm open to hearing all of that. But just as. I don't like hearing that group food as much as it is because there are 99% of football players that are going to the real world correct. Oh absolutely and the first time they draw a paycheck in the real world. Everybody else's or most everybody else is going to repay a loan theirs isn't so there is some value to that. It is a matter where you want to put the value as opposed to all the money the revenue sport like football makes for a school. Yeah and all with an elbow always say that you know people all you get an education is no guarantee that your get the job after you get out of schools well where is these these these. Schools in the NCAA bid to read and billions of dollars and now. Right now as you know if I had if I ask you would you rather would you rather have a million dollars now all 5000. Dollars a month for the knicks that you know seventeen. Seventeen years. We would anticipate he says I get around had a million dollars now because. Oh we thought invested cartel hit like I remember me right exactly so I mean to me is in its best. Condit from this war where I'm going is poised. You know. Gaza and I didn't I didn't pay you a bit after that should be compensated. Michael Wolf political for what for what they generate. Awful. If you leftist whatever angle we look at this you're missing and your angle is that there should be compensation my ankle was. Offended the wrong word because. Some of us did do this yeah genuine article to make the statement and again maybe that rock on reading the headlines right to say. Yeah he set an example right that you can't yeah yeah that's and I cannot let us fit. I think the wording what he'd say it is wasn't cool wreck right but I'm not but I'm not right I'm not able to dismissed. What he would he sit there is mad Mary to what exit agreement what is here with a straight talk popular straight talk wireless pressed on that networks. No contracts about a lot of it is this. He violated one of the cardinal rules which is. When you're a person who has a lot of opportunity no one wants to hear about your problems it doesn't mean they are legitimate. Right but don't want to hear about we don't like first world problem. Writer yeah and they are because if you make a lot of money. And keep you still have issues and like everyone has problems and like money does not solve all of the problems in your life. But people don't have money don't wanna hear about the problems that people who have money that. And it's much that way with a situation like this. All these people were busy paying back their student loans right now it doesn't judge Rosen doesn't have a point but they don't want to hear that I'm paying back a 100000 dollars in student on. I don't want to hear about a typical Dutch Rosen like this and I even agree with what he's saying I understand that perspective doesn't mean we can't discuss you know I mean listen everyone has ever realized what do something but it. Doesn't mean that discussion is worth have correct and that leads me to my next point which is. If the three of us were having this conversation that it was were set together having a beer ten years from. And we talk about which sport is gonna go through the biggest change. In that your period. I would suggest it's going to be college football. I think that we are going to see the amateurism model as we know broken in college football. I think the power five conferences at some point and not that far off. Are going to. In some breakaway take away from the NCAA and form their own thing it doesn't make any sense not to make him and create a role model whatever it is they want to be. And whether that includes some greater form of compensation we have now or minimum relaxing the rules on the use of lightness which is the part of it that really bothers me I'm not sure exactly how do you compensate player giving them line in the same given the star quarterback and given the swimmer at the same as you're giving them. Football player those are all complicated questions. But the notion that you would restrict these guys from from taking advantage of their like likeness in public that has never sat well with me they can make adjustments to that as they see fit. Do you agree with me Mike and that will that change will replace him. How popular college football Mary. What that diminish it. Mean no my point is they're gonna go through the work of of the old Tiffany broke don't fix it mentality. Saying make more money. I think those schools anymore money in here well ourselves if you figure out a model to make more money that that is gonna make the single all of a sudden all of their thought process of hey what do we do for the kids. Isn't the driving force don't know why this out. Honey and I don't I don't see it happening I don't see it happening as soon as you do because. I just see it all working right now and I see why why are we gonna change all of the lineup are great because I think that if the status quo keeps rolling at the forces behind it. Obama fight even more to keep everybody else that day up from you know mess with the golden goose that I agree yeah I think I think that there there. There are five conferences there's an according to everything else like more money for just them and not having to then support the what percentage of college football programs lose money it's an enormous number they are already there are ready giving money to their conference's strike that wouldn't change would that I guess it could change it to whatever they want. You know revenue sharing sort of speak right right now that's what happens graphic they share with the Icrc. Would you argue are you saying that would change that they would get they would breakaway and others. Conference's. Broken away and they wouldn't share I mean where they were here amongst themselves that occurred there on television deals over the Spaniard leadership coming or trying to think they're gonna make more money in the billions are making right now yeah I do. Are you have to show me that model of American Idol pretty well right now all we ask you change is just from a legal promote legal court perspective. Some of these student athletes that they continue to challenge the reigning beauty there won't winning these you exactly lawsuit both my kids got checked you know that the the the lightness of that end up. So that's where it that's what a model that's agency update from that and probably as far as. Did you know that the people in order to hold it Mitt no way they're gonna change its specially as a TV money continues to grow. Yeah I agree and we see what some of the guys at northwestern tried to do with the union that got. Destroyed so I think it's going to be piecemeal to likenesses. And how can a guy make money do we ever get. A to a point where they're gonna pay guys are different ways players can get money right now but where will we forget to universal way. Of working I and I can get money and if you do is going to be this football. Is going to be football basketball or all scholarship athletes and then. Now the money really gets smaller and and you're gonna say it was worth it now because of of the amount of money it's going to be but. I agree reviewed gaming I I don't and disagree if you agree I don't think. We're gonna get this all everything lead because I just don't think they think there's a need for right now. Because are all swimming in cash. Well by both the beard ten years from today when I'm right. I said let's go through a couple of other things you played with Tom Brady early in your career in New England. He's coming back this year at the age of forty has. The biggest star in the sport and still the guy on top of the mountain. He's gonna try and do stuff that is never been done before we've gone through the numbers a million times no forty year old quarterback has ever starters super ball that barely ever made the playoffs it never started sixteen games and season. If anyone can do it Brady can do it do you think you can do. Absolutely. Absolutely because I look at noisy gods it's in phenomenal shape the way taker himself it's. It's just rare is where is the effort to terms of number two you have the greatest to meet mopping integrated state coach and and and it in NFL history and Bill Belichick. He's been an assistant every cent ever since he's been in the lead. They've gotten better. As good as New England was less of a better this year so to me when you combine the fact that. He's playing you know you could make argument last year that he could have been it in BP to leave right if you had missiles for go to order for yeah if he could have been MVP of the league last year. The cotton knew that that they have an organization from from the top all the way down. The players a personnel that they have this really no no reason also out of some titled freak injury to think that Tom Brady can't stool. Play at a phenomenal level not only this year bullet in you succumb. I think three years I think this year two more years I still think you be ordered a top quarterbacks I just never happened that it doesn't mean it can't happen and where we're seeing new things all the time especially. Jamie you're good when you played I played way before you let me just that the the it advancements in lifting and eating in supplement is so much better have you wanna buy intuit how it can help you. Look at look at you know it just piggyback off you look at it like Adrian Peterson. Awaited peace and towards a field came back and this I mean in the here that he had acting towards ACL. Nothing is nothing is impossible wit with today's advancement in medicine and and like I said Tom Brady has all the advances as far as coaching. On organizationally. He has all the advances still too many. This is nothing if there's no rule blog that I can CEO that would that would tell me that he can't do. The last thing I wanna get into the here do you weigh in Damien Woody is in our studio Mike Mike presented by progressive insurance. We'll have Michael Irvin coming up later this hour in the shell Pennzoil performance line. I can't cap Riddick is still not on an NFL roster. If the NFL season begins a week one rolls around and he is not on NFL roster we all understand how polarizing topic this is and people have. They're very emotional views on this. What do you think. What what what reaction have you are you hearing from active players remain players or in this we're hearing more and more of them saying we need to stand up for Colin Kaplan we need to be there are. In a more visible or public way would you expect to see you may still have friends in the league talked to. Visible demonstrations of support for him I'm not talking about what what's being planned outside of a park avenue now on two weeks I'm talking about players. Before games whatever the case may be what do you think players in the league will do if cap and it does not wind up on a team we. You know. Let me let me back a one tobacco once again before a are not feel. A feel kind of disappointed that more players haven't spoken up about this but this issue and meet. On they can forward. Is part of reason why one wouldn't. When the league the players association and in a film go to nick CBO. I expected that the in the field to win again. Because the one thing that the players to me don't have the solidarity here's a guy that can also bowl you know guy who was one play away from win a Super Bowl. Night in thirty years Ole. It's not even normal roster. Think about that guy who's you know everyone talk analysts say that calling carrot and extinct call you know the today. You know Bob what are you not last week I talked about the first take that this the same guy who you know is QB always been right to any better than Cam Newton that Eli Manning. You know I'm guessing he's that you know he's Cam Newton Eli Manning but the point I was making was the guy can still play football even prompt his career and he's known Ross. To me that's a Travis he should be on roster now you know as for the Miami situation I can understand where what Miami did George. I do you have question about it gets back to understand with the coach player relationship but the Fed but the simple fact that Kong company does not only info roster. Being eight says he's that. On some of the other quarterbacks this that that you know that that's in the National Football League again nothing's attracts it's indisputable that this is. What's happening that's that's not I mean that's up no doubt about it we'll see we'll see if an injury happened somewhere where he. Ken and about him how I want to finish with fiscal back to your rookie year all these all these rookies played in their first game last night the first pre season game now. You do you're the seventeenth pick overall first round I was attempts from a 255 pick so we're coming out of from trooper ways I can put it felt. That first pre season game that first time you play in the NFL. What was that like. Offer though was dude makes Otis art and snow globe yeah how hot rock pop pop pop. You don't know anyone knows anyone who see me play you always you know bit anyone knows that I had if she was shot it is highly regarded as an absolutely yeah Tim Hasselbeck. No matter I I give Tim Hasselbeck a lot of credit because. I do with athletic plays behind me BC I could get so must netspective bullet. Listen I we had we assigned Drew Bledsoe 200 million dollar deal. And I remembered united time coach our own Michael peek here in my first year he's like. Put them at social civic right there. That would mean a quarter don't get that Geithner OK don't give him hurt so that's the first the company applies. Men and his shotgun snap back the missile drew doesn't happen in dam and he killed in the pocket so. Yeah more heart with like Emma wrote to visit Canada there yeah absolutely he. Always think the quarterback's gotta get his first pass of the game out of the way you know everything about. It always listen every play Oz would quarterbacks in the exchange. He's Damien Woody you see all over the place and it's always a delight like that clean shaven look I do it it it's a nice change of pace yeah well. Know my cue that this gear itself you have to put politics. So a little bit yeah Europe and you do have a very youthful but maybe that's kind of icing it sort of gives you more youthful you don't get a lot of mobile slowed peppered them big boy that'll insult comic turn back the clock a little bit they have kind of and I voted on and on yeah. Yeah all right we are like it like we got a lot of good stuff working here it's really feels like football. All of a sudden and they are a bunch of different things together into. Whether France from the NFL network are former colleague the hall of Famer Michael Irvin has met with a Mike and Mike good morning Michael Irvin. Looked up with that great name like it might keep those. Quite quite quite you might like this would. We're gonna go well. It works out perfectly every time. Would your weekend in Canon obviously for all the hall of famers it is always a big deal to go back in an and welcome the new inductees but. To have the guys that you played your your basically your entire career for there in Dallas Jerry Jones going in this weekend what was that like for you. It was incredible and really work and it just. It was him who was coach of real their government when I walked him out like I walked her cute golf. Oh all over it conflicted. And we welcome Maryland we raiders pictures look you've heard me right. Treatment Rome would work or effort almost like. Which you do it would have it done now Micah notable moments with the with a drink you were fit. Would trigger. A bit of that although very. Abby who started let it go at Butler. Great video much like Michael. That moment of me being up you're presenting new. There has been called wife who alters crying you know rule. You know and that I I think by the collective. Multiply that by winning and that's what had been where you know hoping to watch that was incredible artwork here will be fought with how what you're. And you know we got rid of the dog at home made three and everybody wanted to cool too by you know who go from that. Being glorified. On that day which is an incredible view that it was that the watches during the was just incredible. And then to see him and Jimmy together in the way they were for the presidency Jimmy Johnson is there it would doctrine and Taylor and there they're looked at least from the outside to be like really friendly exchanges and all of that I heard that you guys were hanging out a little bit what did you see Erin. In sort of an a point of that relationship. Between Jerry and Jimmy. Iran like it was so great to see for a while ago where I would I would between Phillip. An echo their great new computing unit are repeat. Give me Hillary commodities. You have to look if he'd be just the eight. Unity if you Wear off floor so we got him out in an which is great all week Q. You mean you're at the world what we're back to being where they were. What I accurate word college in the water being able back Covert put all everything aside and you're back this print unit. And really adored him moments toward greater so much more so much more enjoyable. This year at that we. First for those in other so few of you that make it at all fame and when you were in that club is it. Both for that weekend is it that weekend or was it after for you it may be some of the other guys and know what's different. Winner really hit you that you were hall of Famer because that weekend is such a special weekend is it then or how did that work for you. It is different for Republicans didn't you know being put me with all would vote because about it Gartner realized. To salute big home Monday to rest my plot like oh my god I side. I'm maybe you know ordered from a guy so you record victory here there are Parker talked about. The moment here spin on that podium it when he hit their but I I know we're gonna be like a pyrrhic you know. A coat you're appealed to calm down business throughout our promus. Runs approved ballot. There if it takes three years that takes five year. I promise you when you get that call you wait is going to eat your body like no other news not about why didn't bill. It's about finding poor. That book that in the hole you'll read he would look great great ring a win big he he appears certain pride about whom they know. It's going to be interesting next year Mike and Mike and Michael Irvin we mentioned that there has not been a year in which true wide receivers went into the hall of fame together since 1983. To Randy Moss becomes eligible next year Terrell Owens just waiting and and both Mike and I think it's in saying that he hasn't gotten and so what do you think. TO in the order how do you expect that the play out. Well all we might think this thing is that things are over Nadia that's what the reality. Good look at. What the numbers are very resilient. And what should you consider. Well you know up what you could be at all and an actor a whole proposal worked out that we they I think that looked great Colette. Spoke great clip could quote the old guy who dominated better. At wide. It will good great grand. Oh in rentable square this thing can't and I don't think I do think that there is that what that appeal or that if you are. You before reader be beer. And what's been referred to all become the first heard about all the things work. In noted you're here would be that there right now and watch it let's read in the malls and written before and that was put the money welcome to. You go in with doubts you know going to be very difficult I'm over their freeing it to happen that way and that these guys. It presented no Ray Lewis scored yeah yup you're real beard are are remote desert so it right so bored that vote definite. Gray who are off probably. Read your moles. And hopefully you'll be in that class. Steve Hutchinson in so much great guard depth through years in the league and speaking of well all salute you do it without west and he was cook sort of Cutler. Wide receivers that are dominating their air Antonio Brown although Beckham junior fitted that throw Leo Jones in there obviously is well. But Antonio Ono jealous that they basically motivate one another to play better. We like that did you have a contemporary while you were playing that that that kind of you guys vote even if you'd ever played against each other physically on the field. But another wide receiver and York time them motivated you. We'll probably got motivated it was it was do you conclude that you're right though and we did not hit any bills you know. The practice but you know all of this well. Our our it was like secret combat I'd try to find out what. You're working partners worked out so I think going to a a figure quite cheery work out in the morning. Do you know rings were got a map and where did I doubted you think why should not be eco. Good speed button back to wrap up what could be. Hope so our our our art and you this year anything I'm telling you order greater moment in my life it ma. Whole group I don't like it right up there with the work much what whack would I wouldn't have put it quite well operable. Marriage you're right to me behind the united this one was the book Butte exit period Bernard. If you like called abundant and you know they created unicorn you're gonna hurt. Good record records 20 years could care to. Well your conviction program that would be it I would pick Garko figured being. Right out of congress we currently right here they're but the great thing at the world via the like button and a don't know which are our computer you're in your life. You know we're at wiped everything he viewed but I didn't have that kind of afraid you have. Like what I read there'll be donors and their colonial round. Always great to catch up Michael thanks a million as always enjoy the rest of the some OC when the season gets started. I'm a reporter who has started to write it go and verify the great you got a minute now. Why don't we do that what we expect that we look at to Penske it would look at it so Watson. Why don't we can into their profits. Column by the old Annette there's partly what's not all people we. We grew so what's it kept repair period predators if that's a bit here a couple hopefully put him. Don't. And in what is Chicago I don't know I can figure that well. Michael I'm a realist and I completely agree there I said the shot should have been the first quarterback taken it amazes me. That these guys are done playing either in December January. And that's the last time there are pads they do nothing and pads from that point on and how anything could change after that blows my mind it really really does. Lol my migrated that it would every year ubiquity route. A couple of light here rerouted nerves doubted our data. Out of a have the so look for and look at the video no bit. Nordic track and their crew are short. Over route would consult on the football and go through a thought like that.