Oct 31, 2017|
ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter gets you the latest Info on the NFL trade deadline, including the Patriots trading Garroppolo to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.
The guys are live from Libertyville, Illinois and they talk about the New York Giants struggles before talking with Bears HC Matt Nagy, Shaun O'Hara and ND HC Brian Kelly.
The guys talk with former Giants OL Sean O'Hara about the Giants struggles before calling Brian Kelly to talk about the success of the Notre Dame football team and more.
The guys talk with Chicago Bears head coach Matt Nagy about the development of Mitchell Tribusky, what Khalil Mack has meant to the Bears and more.
The guys are live from Chicago and they get into their Five Point Stance in advance of the NFL Weekend before welcoming in Sarah Spain to talk Giants, Jimmy Butler & more.
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That we all have in both in terms of production quality and just in terms of appropriate yeah I would agree with that going back to our earliest days when many people who do not like our show would refer to was regularly as dumb and dumber. It seemed like going full circle to address this morning. In these suits we thought of changing the name of the shorted gum and armor but we knew there'd be infringement right so we couldn't do that exactly wrap so we just Mike in my. Meant to. Dumb and exactly I mean that that those two are basically interchangeable phrases at this point cannot tell idea I am so orange that I'm I'm practically. Fading into the background here I feel you are. A there's a part of me that might just disappear yet there is orange in the background and you are taken orange green god bless our beloved makeup artist hopefully working on this wig. For so long finally I just had like I gotta go on the air here is not gonna make any difference. How the wig looks if I'm not sitting in the room. But we just cannot and we tried very very hard to make this thing just a straight line and it is a struggle. It is a struggle to get Jakarta area here are we close no word or definitely go where folks who goes listening on the radio we are dumb a double word dumb and dumber greening is Lloyd and law. You Jim Kerry character I am Harry. The Jeff Daniels character so we have media the bird we have Peter Burt here with the duct tape around his Israel broken neck and fortunately LP. You know met his demise and that Cho took great moving I love the movie. One of the great sophomore bathroom scenes of all time that that about Jack Daniels we actually talked to him. On the show about that a one point which I'm sure you really enjoyed his Rogers never talked about that before when a great sophomore things of all time but. I love that movie as a great movie it is truly dumb and dumber. Hadley happy Halloween to all we've got for again for it to describe it for those of you listening a lot of McCain too we McCain's McCain actually you have the better that. Outfitting came because one of the great teams is when they walk into this big ball or their clearly dressed group to choose you know very dumb. Your character Lloyd just cracks I believe it's Lloyd Lloyd hit terrier right harried than it Lloyd with this came right back at Denny's I mean. A real whacked out we could react but it cured hit knew that Cain the show would end today or not November 70 yeah. We showed up two and a half weeks yellow I gotta get through this. But one way or another we got that they got the Halloween costumes go and here we got the staff dressed up a little bit we got pick a rover there wearing a cowboy hat. He officially looks nine yes he he really as he's ticket it's it's come full circle he is officially nine years old over their parenting resource all morning long and I. I don't know what Campbell is how old is he is he wearing a dormant around his face or is that they don't have looking toilet seat around his face or orally tell. It almost looks a little bit like a baby also was it like trying to be like a little bit of a newborn baby what he's doing a I don't the worst customer ever seen in my entire life ball he said he put a doorknob and his face so you thought now I would listen to him. If you were dressed like you don't know MM and perhaps you well I there are one way or another so why here we are our Halloween get up some will make sure we get plenty of pictures out there and everything else for those of you who don't have a chance to watch with us here this morning meanwhile there is a John and I do mean a ton of sports news to get to. Not. Up. Things you know barring his glove let's start with C Monday Night Football game Kansas City wins in an ugly affair that features seven turnovers unfortunately. Five of them from the Denver Broncos in many of those. From my quarterback Trevor Sammy yeah I have. Vance Joseph book you know a talker bubble for the game not talking about a quarterback switch after the game the words anything's possible hit I think were about to see the end. At least for that the time being a Trevor Ximian Alyssa there or Ford drops as well. He was passing hormle had more interceptions three than it completions. Of two on on passes rather at least fifteen yards downfield quite honestly for five turnovers and a three of those being the interceptions they were you know that this game was it a little bit closer than a score Kansas City jumped out to that fourteen zip lead. Than they were relied on five fuel growth they had from their kicker. Harrison blocked her love that name NATO as rookie from Georgia State missed his first kicked. That he that he ever kicked in his NFL career and Ellis made eighteen straight. He's doing extremely well for them this really was an ugly game what you take away from mrs. Kansas City. Are they weren't the power teams can't they put together Travis Kelsey was a monster in this game just like he normally is against Denver last year. Against Andrea had nineteen receptions in the two games last night he had over a seven receptions over 400 yards and a touchdown as well so we know he's a big part of the offense. Fremont was for the first time held under a hundred scrimmage jarred. Does that to one thing we know about Denver they have a great defense they need are often to come along for a little bit of a ride. And as far as Kansas City is concerned someone made this observation to me. We know them so well everyone knows them so well because every game they play out nationally televised is it me they play every single week or did you say that I have both Clive I ate up everything played eight games five of them have been any of the Monday night at the summit or the Thursday night. Slot and their sex addiction to record now tied with the patriots and the Steelers for the best record in the AFC. Meanwhile what can you tell I'm. They had to chose can win the World Series tonight it's game six and you'll hear all the action right here on ESPN radio. Bigger guy thrown programmed and the Justin Verlander has a point 46 ERA of potential. Series clinching games the lowest by any pitcher with a minimum of fifteen innings pitched since earned runs became that officials said in 1912 a twelve however. Verlander is winless with a 643 ERA and four career. World Series start so you pick which that you are live with you to make it work for Howard you wanna work wherever Lander we are Rich Hill last timing game two I thought Rich Hill. And others did was pulled too early after four really good ratings and a lot of people think that started the kind of tiring out of the bullpen for the Dodgers let's see how our go to like let's hear Verlander who has been nothing but money. Since he's been traded to the Astros to endure the Dodgers can forces game seven so we look forward of that game tonight meanwhile. Going back to the bench it's very hard to follow he loses it has attempt. Now to block his six game suspension but that's upheld for 24 hours while the NFL PA has that amount of time to try and mount their own. Our next response here so Mike. Is gonna play this weekend or not. I don't know I mean I'm not I honestly do not this thing has been. Unreal how we do know yes I think you're at higher fairly certain he's going to serve a six game suspension. But my god we don't know and if this one actually holds up. Odd that he would miss chiefs at falcons Eagles chargers Redskins and at giants those games he missed. And this this this so we'll get further discussion in this. There was a thought process missiles for six games and then just you don't have the rest of the season. Because they're starting hit their stride guy that offensive line was struggled early on he Kelly was struggle are early out there hitting their stride right now and now you may see Zeke off the field for six game yeah he just ran through the games he admits he would be eligible return December 17 might give it three games. Before the at the end of the regular season for three right now we know the Eagles are seven in Warren and during those 61 of the games is against the eagle is no one of the two game against Philly. Let's let's say. It would this sound fair to you. If they lose Elliott for six in to this point it probably and their chances whatever little chance they may have left of winning the division of our final wildcard but they could still get in as a wildcard and let's get on the back and he's a fresh yes you know it Zeke is even in for the six games it is still real lark carpet to your point. I agree with your piece out. I think early hopes are. The awhile carting your right you begin to the end of the season you get him going again right before the playoffs and you never know what it's tough right now because they were really hitting their stride now and of course. NFL's trade deadline we are too big trades made yesterday. The attention will go course on the quarterback and that is Jamaica Rob Lowe. Delta the San Francisco 49ers. For a second round pick bear in mind the 49ers. Are winless so there's second round pick could very well be the 33 34 pick in the draft something like that. Right near the end of the first drama one way or another there are a lot of tentacles to this deal and other. Got traded to Seattle we saw the talk the last few days of Seattle prefer left tackle. Understandably so they traded form they get blamed the cornerback who basically just lost his starting job a second right and and then a couple of picks after that as well but they get a left tackle something got the the Seahawks were in dire need and that is all the topic I don't. Presented by. Progressive majority can test drive snapshot you much you could save before. Which universe Reza visit progressive.com. Slash snapshot the drop below a deal obviously has enormous ramifications from a variety. A different directions that it if you listen to the show for all you know I've felt for the longest time that they would not deal him I was not so well. I've read this way they did they decided not to trade him during last off season bright and I read that as a signal. That they believe he was the future of the quarterback position in New England. And if you listen to let him show after tell the story got them and ask you to play because with these white gloves on nothing that I hit on my screen I work I hated it better in my computer now we're having served so little bit of difficulty here but anyway the point is. You'll hear out of Asia after explaining. And when you hear it makes perfect sense why the deal happened and why it happened exactly now. Jimmy drop below was going to be a free agent after the season is contract was gonna be up. And New England had made efforts to sign him resigning him and I think the more they talk the more they recognize that he was going to be too difficult. To resigning him. And so rather than have him walk away after. The seizure and hence they decided to make the move now and to trade him for a second round draft pick now Patti left. They could've gone a compensatory draft pick it would have been a high pick but that also would limit their flexibility in free agency with the players they could or could not bring in. Listened all along understood. What you're saying. Because we we were we were you know 180 on this thing. That. Bill bella Jack has had a a habit of getting rid of guys a year or so early and and especially with that position if you really believed in Jimmy grapple all. I just a I do think they're Brady's gonna play this year and at least another two years again the number 45 comes up which would be five more years has just turned forty years old. I don't even think that's going to happen but I do think you can get at least two more years and as well. And I just thought. There's no way. You for your gonna franchise your backup quarterback as he won't play next year won't be the starter next year but to me there was no way. They were getting rid of Tom Brady was less of the season and it's happened right now. So they wouldn't get a get a guy 22 million as soon as the back up and they couldn't afford to miss a free agent of what he's gonna get offered in their you do search FT say. They were trying to work out a deal can pay him. What he's gonna go get on an open market which we know. Guys who barely have played ritual potential good way overpaid we've seen it time and time again. And I didn't think the patriots were gonna do that. So the patriots traded away both quarterbacks. Behind Tom Brady. Member magical numbers that we won it's traded to the colts and I'll drop all of its rated they have no other quarterback on their roster a lot of people think. They will sign Brian Hoyer correctly was released in San Francisco all. Once or Barack rule trade went through an employer had been in New England. So there you have a guy who I think as much better suited for back corporal certainly knows that system we'll see if that happens or not but. Here we are you know it is all on Brady for the foreseeable future. And so let's look at it from a variety of different sides one of them is the 49ers site. They had a lot of different options here and everyone has looked at them and look at Kirk cousins right and assume that that was a likely landing spot is Kyle Shanahan was cousins. Offensive coordinator at the beginning of presence career. In Washington obviously they didn't they didn't decide to wait on that there are a variety of reasons why there were no assurances they'll get cousins and he is going to be extraordinarily expensive right whatever it is they resign or couple of four it'll be real money but it won't be what 'cause I had on again and you know what they may have to tag or upload notes and that that'll be that 120 million so it would actually be in the area of what the average of what they were pay cousin does but it wouldn't be that monster contract at least. For another year they franchise grapple and and Sanford and his failure to auto yeah yeah so Woolsey I made it. Well you're right maybe they haven't had any conversations ahead of time about what it might take. One way or another he goes out there that's the decision they make is also this is a quarterback who loaded draft where I feel like as the season has gone on and you know the law get re inflated. As we get into the offseason but I Philly guess this season has gone on. The draft stock that is our ability of all of these high profile quarterbacks as demon has diminished his decreased. As the year has gone on to maybe they've fallen out of love without they found this opportunity as far as the patriots making this move here. It does surprise me I think you're deflated out exactly right and in the and you were exactly right they they just decided they weren't gonna spend all that money and they are getting hitched there. Wagoner Brady going out into the future from it surprises me because. Rob Lowe is the guy that I thought they had decided would eventually be the quarterback and now I guess if they figured it out it went for three years it doesn't make any difference. They need radiators listen I understand all of that I understand the healthy keeps an artist and it doesn't need any ice agreement and as an avocado I understand all that stuff. But now let me tell you this is a guy who's taken a beating a beating in the first half of the seat on the at the age of forty. He's ready and and what they kept them for half the season they probably could've gotten a first round draft pick. That'll in the last year's draft in some regards maybe a second round pick is almost the very top of the sector and those are the. Arabic because of the and I I disagree there doesn't matter will never know I didn't mean you're gonna get a first form but to your point. Yet at second round is a four year deal not that five year deal sly understand regard they're certainly the players I think at the end of the day like it better. What's interesting is that this is now the fifth. Quarterback the paycheck traded undergo votes in the fifth and now one of them. Not one of them went on the have a winning record anywhere Drew Bledsoe went to the bills' 35 and 35. Matt Cassel went to the chiefs. 26 and forty. Ryan mallet to the Texans three and five to colder perceptive colts to a five and Jimmy grapple. Hosted a 49ers so. We'll see what happens I know there's a lot of love for drop lower and he's had two starts. And had what 88 quarterback rating and everybody follow that he got hurt magical reverse that actually got some time when when Brady was serving his suspension. But you know I I we say it all the time but but it always happens they're overvalued quarterbacks but we understand why we get it. And guys like the guys get overpaid. With two starship think oh my god you know what we endure the Morgan make him a ton of money he's gonna make a lot of money. The thing about this you get a little cash into effort Cisco got you now you get him there again gore in the system you get them on the feet and you can kind of you to help a little bit. As well I think that that does a lot for you as well how quickly did he becomes the starter. Cup player wasn't starting the last few we know you received about third or the rookie bear from Iowa com. I I would say a couple of weeks. I mean I from all from all we hear he's a Smart player and I don't know him I just seeing him play we know Belichick liked him but he did just trade him. I think the trade go ahead happen I think you were stuck between a rock and a hard place. And you work and pay him what you're gonna have to pay him to acumen as a backup but our pick a couple of weeks and he could be in there. They've got I'm two weeks and then thereby in the maybe you'll see him Sunday November 26 against Seattle which would give you six games. The rest of the season one or another little Louis a critic at the mikes at the Mike what do you by Dave and busters watch the games. And play the games adore football headquarters David busters is Louis critics thought on the trade. You would assume that in 2018. The pictures thought that there was no way they're going to be able to sign to me so long term extension. Franchise and it wasn't an hostilities most economically driven football team in the NFL I sort of see them tie and that kind of cap money in the two quarterbacks. So they figure we'd better go ahead and get something of real value announced that a waiting on a compensatory pick whom we can can kind of control the market here and see we can get form. Know from San Francisco I think just core reckon the future looked just seems out there like. Cleveland Browns fans are always hit me up on Twitter saying we shouldn't be trying to get a court wreck right now we don't have the pieces yet moved the wrong track ditch your quarterback can keep build around that's what Kyle Shanahan just did can he got a guy who right now he feels though can lead them in the future so. It's a good move for them. Be interesting for drop all as far as there I mean obviously they can franchise tag me and he can't go anywhere at that point it's a whole idea that. But what if what if they don't what if they're trying to work out a deal where if other teams get involved they always have that they're hip pocket to say you're not going anywhere we're gonna tag you put. It all all the sudden other teams are bidding for me or what what number would you comment if he's not tag you know what what number would eagle and I I I I end up they I. I mean they're in they're not now gonna have to pay that huge money for Kirk cousins were all lower that number's going to be it's gonna be north of a hundred million dollars. But what's drop lawyer he's gonna get in my opinion the way overpaid for what he's shown on the field and we're we're going for the but that's what happens you know there is no such an arguing about and it's going to happen but like I said Dallas had that franchise tag in the back pocket. So the 49ers making their decision they'll go widget maker apple going for the patriots make theirs they couldn't afford to keep him and Brady and they are hitching their wagon. To the greatest quarterback of all time and counting on him doing something that's never been done before and Brady has. Made a career of doing things that have never been done before he's won more championships won more games thrown more touchdowns. He's done everything better than anyone else has before. But now we're going into an entirely new area. Because Belichick is a 100% counting now on Brady playing another two years and I'm and that that's that's basically what it's got to be it's gotta be this one. One more may be two more for this to be right right decision. And I am and if he does then it was a brilliant vote no question about it and if he does that he would he is re right in front of our eyes he's rewriting what we think of as an aging quarterback and looked. I don't wanna compare the two. But you know times do change and things move forward I was just talking to a friend of mine this week who said that he went to a benefit. Over the weekend and Tony Bennett thank you Tony Bennett is 91 year L and I city got up there and if you close your eyes you wouldn't know that he wasn't 61 years old. So you know they're different people do things at different ages and as he learned to take had a better care result may be. This will be the first of many that will say all the sudden forty isn't too old right to play the quarterback position maybe this'll be the beginning of a heavy total paradigm shift. But for the moment it feels to me like a risky move and hello all I didn't think they were gonna do it. Is a risky move because it hasn't been done but we we go into new areas all the time you know we we'd learn new things we and we grow in different ways. You know saw I. I'm with you I mean it is risky but he Felix do you feel like he's doing it without a net now like the the patriots have known net. Like if for that for that went when when when the cold well if they don't adding that you're that became the worst team that they don't have for the future gather what you're talking well even this year I mean if if if if already if it fell sign Brian Warner and Ryan or Brian Hoyer I mean Brian Hoyer Jimmy rob low ones big ones been in the league forever the other at two starts I don't know I mean. But both know the system. So I mean our our we are we rob welcoming the same team just caught Hoyer and traded a second round pick and is gonna get millions of dollars to drop. Yeah so I draw I grapple has been their for the last three and a half years now knows the system better have or delayed and well. Where was in the system lawyer was there. Pours a Smart player yeah all I I think that's a wash and I don't think a whole lot of that I think this is this was they couldn't hang on to him for the future so they wanted to get to form. Right now know clearly that's all reason that they did I know I don't think there if they signed Ryan Howard I think there were soft not really. I don't think they're worse off if they have to go to the backup I think Brian orders and is a really good backup quarterback to come in. And and NB a service that way breed or have to count on a consistent basis game after game after game after game. But come in and fill in if if need be so you're saying that in the unlikely event and no one hopes this happens. Regardless of which he mirrored for the Brady gets hurt and cannot play they have as good a chance to go deep into the playoffs it's that are with players they would with problem drop well. How many games are there were Brady were suspended. How many were there how many did you miss four while he misty got heard of that third one right on the mark my my my point is that the Rob Lowe couldn't even make it four games all right I mean Brady Rudolph for four games drop look pretty brutal four gave percent Kaman who started that went so. What are we have to go on there I mean Africa. So turnout may be right. Home isn't just the place yeah it's feeling that you're safe to enjoy the things that matter most EDT let's. That feeling -- whether your home your business for online. We help keep you safe. We security systems home automation alarms and surveillance. So you can feel at home wherever you. Go to ATP dot com we'll get that feeling for less than a dollar a day. Home safe home. I'm very happy Halloween from all of us to all of view again and and during the at television break there on ESPN two. They just went back and showed like a long compilation of all the different customs that was done over the years and I'll say this. That's about as good I think Halloween. We'd done Halloween as well as we've done nothing I agree the constant looking back at them there again they were of some of them were really good. Well plugging them style and bad men and rob Robin are tied for my favorite but this what is pretty good today we are dumb and dumber Israel are not just figuratively now we read by the literally as well we truly are and gangrene is all war aided Jim Jim Carey and I'm Jeff Daniels I'm I'm Harry. As I got it wrong. I am the one that whack you. With a cane in the back electors are walking into the big event so I'd like I'd like to relive that moment and that you're as hard as I can in the back in the knees with this came out in the inept in the interest of not doing that let me just say Adam shaft are ready to go. He's standing by live to let's talk with him is this is a huge day around the National Football League chef they are you a fan of the movie dumb and dumber. I actually didn't see I know people love. Loaded but I book she doesn't let Obama keep this real quick right now. It's a movie I'm I'm a little disappointed to hear Adam hasn't seen them movies as shaft you we will look at your photo real quickly we can check your course has been busy with other standouts like these huge trade and any others that may come so. Go ahead we played a sound bite from your earlier this morning but let's give you the floor why did the patriots trade Jamaica or upload of the 49ers yesterday. Well it's a very exciting situation. I think east over the fact that going back to the spring. The patriots made attempts to reach out into the problem to keep McMillan. They were unable to do so and continue to try and they continued that they'll get things done became apparent that there are certain about time. That they were not be able to recite. That. Obviously them opportunities and money we're going to be too great on the market and so. Knowing. That they were going to be unable to keep them. And knowing how much it would cost to franchise him and seeing Tom Brady for the way tedious. It just made sense in the end it was based took it as long as they could and David for the trade deadline into their bye week. Oh. This season. They began talking with the 49ers all of yesterday morning. And by last night. The trade come together to where the 49ers. Were trading second round draft pick. To New England for giving the problem. And so basically this is what knowing when does it it it is it exhausted its options examine the situation. Determined this was the best course of action and continue to at this point of time. And so the patriots made the decision to trade and San Cisco and simply just don't know it's it's quarterback of the future. It George came over the next. Half of the season see how it likes him. Can then use. Its franchise tag on him can. Figure who wants to re sign him. Did minor injury rubble of a no. Contract discussions at all. To date for next trade for him thinking that they will have to be able to. Go at it right now but knowing that they had this franchise tag they can't recite them right away tied him to San Francisco. And that's basically the situation and it into media has enormous ramifications are two different teams you gut. Real patriots are now don't have a backup quarterback but look. Brian where was discussed as part of the deal but for various reasons. They decide not to include him and former released and so. The normal patriots will be I would think though likely landing spot but I can say this that he dirty received calls from two of the teams aside from the patriots. So that's not guaranteed. And then you've gut. The situation here where the niners get their quarterback. And Kirk cousins has one fewer potential landing spot being that they'll be 49ers. And you feel better Cleveland Browns who of course made an over rate reduction grow up blow and lost out on him. And the patriot to Serb troops have system. Is very apart as we all know how the quarterback position works from them just from the money side from Jimmy rappel. That this could actually cost them money it seems like. The less you play in the more pretend you show the more money you get the I'd I I agree if you want to be treated others are no way out that you play this week. But let's say just like next week if he plays next week. So that's the last seven games and let's see doesn't lighted up. Me could could he cost himself something down the roared as opposed to staying we're doing on all year. Going met on the open market worries allies that oil they had two starts and all the potential in the world. Yet unity to your question Mike where I would say to use this is that. If Jimmy grapple in the siege situation to me is Kirk cousins. I don't think short of injury. So should receive entry that either quarterback no matter how they struggle. Will cost them any money. Because there are just too many teams that need quarterbacks. Who were too willing to pay the price you'd never see. 80. Lead quarterback or a very good quarterback or we were classify those guys. Enter free agency. Basically in the prime of their career as he's got a big. In my mind giving her up look at struggled the rest of the way about the way the 49ers are. Destitute of weapons and up and so for Paul bearer of protection they lost its top players on Sunday got better and Philadelphia. Jimmy your outlook which struggle. It has its Euro impact on his values and the same is true. Of Kirk cousins playing behind depleted offensive line in Washington right now he could struggle from now through the remainder of the year. And they are going to be eight period. And Mike and I get a shot to restore this on the shell Pennzoil performers like taking synthetic Motorola performance. So hold a level make the switch depends on synthetics today we mentioned the big trade also yesterday involving Duane Brown the Seahawks need your help on their offensive line they get it. As they acquired him from the Texans anything else we're keeping a close eye and ear on Chaffee as the deadline comes up today. Well it is the polish really obviously with a two big movies position in addition to these he could only use a which came down late last night. Other trees today I think to be more tenuous and I was talking to a GM last week and needs it to me. Before any this took place Marshall Dario is being treated. Jacksonville on Friday uniter dontrelle Inman being treated this sort of bears figure to understand something. You gut but you really bad hopeless teams right now that no they're not going anywhere. You've gut. Of Rupert change all clustered together to where many teams have a chance some for the first I don't want to I've. That you very young group of aggressive general managers. So. If you put that. Cocktail together it becomes very potent. And I would venture to say when you include Adrian Peterson. And you include some of these it was we've already seen more tree species in that we've seen a long time. And so were on the clock today with a 4 o'clock deadline today at 4 o'clock trade deadline. And I would just say that will probably see more deal. I don't know how many more I don't know how significant I don't think we achieve in bigger than we saw last night between northern conceptions the biggest trade deadline deal in a while. Foot again with all these young GMs out there which is desire to improve and so it needs. Are stuck in the middle I think she's symbols to. And finally shifting you touched on briefly. What the hell is going how is he Kelley get in and what does it mean I mean where where where are we now and and where if ever is this thing going to be result. They'll look let me explain chip basically. He filly in the NFL PA had the option of appealing. The decision and they're going to do that okay but right now this suspension holds. Well actually in. The next within the next. That's certain to fifteen to make suspension efficiently. Holes and that means Eliot would be ineligible to. In play until week fifty. Against the raiders. Now unifil PH going through its options today they're going to be meeting to discuss. What they have to do I know that. From this week only side there are a little disappointed debts. The judge ruled last night against and he can Elliott. Ruled option the detection showed that two federal judges concede the same facts. Totally different lights but that's what happened I think that's where there's that this support so. Seek in the NFL PA 24 hours to get together some sort of appeal. Membership in order expires in 24 hours. So. The NFL is just gonna make this suspension all right now that it's amazing too because the book down every time you think I think his overcoat. These judges who ruled. We have a decision won't know whether he's like after the next. Sixteenths. We had a decision where he suspended for six which it is but even at that final we get to adapt to cheer with the NFL PA the appealing that although my understanding is they are now out a very difficult position. And the likelihood you Ellie sitting at six games now looks very strong. All right Jeff Teague and with a all the news whenever we need a fantastic work very happy how I got dressed up today is. Does that shepherd dress up not knowing. You got. I haven't had notion. It has to get a custom unfortunately so. I'll take my daughter 63 QB that girl I know that how you guys get a very good cast of tell me you know. I don't know will. Aren't there better be no breaking news like a residential Katrina and other than what we're trying to go it we're trying to erect the 4 o'clock trade deadline. That. The measure they have now and then it very much attention after whether son Mike and Mike on this. Halloween with lots of treats for all of our NFL fans it's like physique thing to judge is seen as differently it's like when we look at apply. You were both good look at the same play and see something different happened on that play but here it's a little more you know. Has a little more meaning when it's what it's a couple of judges doing coming up next a number that tells a very interesting the story don't miss it after this happy Halloween on Mike in mind. Of all the things being treated at us my favorite one and it actually took me a moment. Is from Bob Andrews aha retreated I thought you guys were dressed up for Halloween today. And it took me a second to get it and then I realized that's very funny notice flooding that's very well played for those of you not with a sigh ESPN two right now after listening on the radio we are dressed up. As dumb and dumber this morning and I've got to a couple of drops from the movie. That's one of your favorite like my Federline that's exactly to put another shrimp on Obama yeah that's after she says she's from Wall Street how exactly is purpose is very strongly that. We've landed on the moon I'll should all that would leave the bar owner sees the picture there that's right over that it's it's it's equality movie and these are quality cost and I can't quite get. I can't quite get the wig to do what I wanted to I didn't Wear the way I just I just I once ensuing registered one my head which I think one of the other great lines come from that movie that we use all time and are also up there. So yours and there's a change. It's one no legal Pickler. Up or is there are out on that yeah. Oh I did this one. Yeah that's a threat that's not I. Lauren Holly Mary Swanson. For those of you may not be familiar with the mood. Very happy Halloween from all of us to all of you here. I'm like you Mike OK let me get to some numbers checked a lot of people certainly paying a lot of attention to the fact that on Sunday night head to head. Game five of the World Series easily drew a larger television rating on fox than these Sunday Night Football game between the Steelers and lions. Drew on NBC Steelers lines are pretty good NFL game that's not a ray is not an unbelievable out of out rather. The good I think it's a good matchup absolute NFL game and the Astros and the Dodgers easily drew a bigger rating that was a 128 rating. According to Austin Carr a sports business daily and that didn't include the Boston and Hartford markets because of enormous storms that we had in this area. NBC also said the Sunday night rating did not the football rating to not include those markets of the throw those two out. The baseball did twelve point eight rating on the football did a nine point four rating if the second consecutive year. In which the baseball out drew the football head to head make of that what you will right that's not the number that I thought was most significant. As I read all the way down through the story. Yesterday and practically every day it feels like we get a lot of reaction from a lot of our audience particularly the eastern time zone. Why these games are so like why they start so late my kids can't stand there watch these games and we got it and I hear it and I know what to all but my kids don't watch the end of these World Series games either. And it frustrates me. But here it is right here. Fox said the World Series game. Peaked at a fourteen point five rating from 1130. To 11:45. PM eastern time that's the peak up rating. And in this particular instance of course the LA market is involved and so you're gonna have a bigger impact from the West Coast than you might otherwise normally but even so. This is the peak. Time so when you ask why is it that this is when the most people are watching right did just that simple the most you're bored watching when the game started at 8 o'clock. There are watching at 9 o'clock there are watching at 10 o'clock there watching at 1130. So your maximizing two things for baseball your maximizing the amount eyes on your product and for the networks are maximizing those numbers which turn and advertising dollars. Unity show that game at 5 o'clock lust you Morgan watched. Awesome baseball doesn't get as many eyes on a new documents sell nearly the amount for ad space as well so that's why it happens again we we hate it. Especially for the hours we have to get opera it's our job to stay up and watch it but for those that it's not your job to do it big it's tough to do organic. Special annual five hours and seventeen minutes that's why game one. Two hours and twenty minutes or wherever the heck was was fantastic. You'll love that and 8 o'clock start to be done by you know 10301045. Would be awesome. But then it that's not realistic that's way more the exception than the rule salt. We don't like it or people don't like it on the East Coast but there's a very good reason why it has to do with the eyes and money. And then as far as the actual fact that the baseball beat the football in the rating. Makes no difference to me on the makes much of a different view but you know other people do it makes it different for other people in the offices of Major League Baseball the National Football League. And consider it a big deal. So what do you make of it what why do you fly if I make of it it's a World Series especially last year you know it was gonna afterward were the cubs who were Cleveland. And I think it's a good World Series this year and raise your daughter if they just are young it you can't sure recorded again we've always talked about. Spinning numbers anyway you walked in and certainly networks and leagues will try that the ratings are down. They are down. So that that has something to do that and in baseball especially the post season we see the ratings have been up. So I mean I don't think there's much more to look at that than that. You look at the combined number look how many people were watching sports on Sunday night I mean maybe. In the big picture for people like us who cover all sports that's. 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