Dec 13, 2017|
The guys talk with ESPN MNF Analyst Jon Gruden to talk all things NFL and then get Ramona Shelburne on to talk about the NBA and more.
Marcus Spears and Mardy Fish hosting with Trey. The guys talk about the Cavs squaring up their series with the Pacers and talk with Brian Windhorst, Mel Kiper Jr. & more.
Marcus Spears and Mardy Fish hosting with Trey Wingo. The guys talk with Mel Kiper Jr. about the NFL Draft and then get into UCF claiming the National Championship and more.
Marcus Spears and Mardy Fish hosting with Trey. The guys talk with Brian Windhorst about the NBA Playoffs and then assess Baker Mayfield's draft stock and more.
Marcus Spears and Mardy Fish hosting with Trey Wingo. They guys talk about Baker Mayfield's draft stock and then bring in Ryan Hollins to talk NBA Playoffs and more.
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Patriots a loss to the Miami Dolphins what that means for the picture's going afforded to a huge matchup one of several huge matchup by the way. A week fifteen they go to Pittsburgh to tap on the the Pittsburgh Steelers in the game that could. Determine home field advantage in the AFC although it still could play out differently and look the Jacksonville Jaguars believe it or not in a weird way. Are still involved in that race because of the when they had thirty to nine over the experts it was earlier this year sold get to that with John in a minute but. Some guilt. People announced her retirement sometimes they've been retired bright and and then they announced their retirement I think this this player falls into that category Devin Hester has been retired for awhile. He'd just been announced his official. It didn't really want to be retired or nobody's calling at some point you have to figure out that you I'm going familiar to listen I want to be tough for you I don't want to retire when I retired exactly right well I retired because all the teams you'd call anymore so that's kind of forced retirement which. Quite honestly is most of the way people retire you ever the professional sports. Not that you really want to. Right so it's a Devin Hester officially made it official by announcing his retirement. And he walks away as the leading returner. In the history of the NFL which means he has more return touchdowns punts kicks interceptions missed field goals in one of those again right joining us. On Sunday night game or excuse me for years few years ago. He's done that better. And anybody else in the history of the NFL and it brings up an interesting question because we just had a few years ago. At the hall of Famer ray guy become the first dedicated hunter. Put into the hall of fame Buehrle whose only job then was to putt there but other quarterbacks in other players have done other things and punted. And got into the NFL Sammy Baugh obviously. I'll probably. The most notable among those longtime Washington quarterback was also an unbelievable honor but ray guy did one thing and he did a better than anybody else. He punted the football right he was a difference maker for the raiders for all those years. Devin Hester. Is the best returner. Of football's. Port touchdowns in the history the NFL. Is that a hall of fame worthy Reza. What do you would think if you're the best in something. That it would but it took long enough to get a punter and by which to me is a joke. Absolutely I mean I mean it's a hall of fame football there are different portrait positions on a football field. One of them is returner but I I think a lot of people get them. Because and other with a lot of talk of a special team or not so much a kicker return man punter. But a lot of people talk of like a steep task test or relaxing and in my draft in 85 what do we both got drafted by the Houston Oilers. Before he wanted a Buffalo Bills and talking about him as a hall of fame specialty gamer. I don't know if we'll ever get someone like that who's that cover guy that that pure type of special team Merck. Devin Hester confuse you receiver as well it back to back fifty catch season exact bear so he did that as well. But when your main job you're the best at returning kicks. I don't know why there wouldn't be a spot for that I mean as far as not offensive touchdowns he has twenty. He had Sanders as nineteen rod what today is seventeen out Dion and rod. Are the hall of fame for the position they play correct then added god that would which certainly added to their resume but they never returned to. You know kicks for it at 44 anytime or I guess part of being DB is get a pick six as well. There was some of the greatest defensive backs to ever place that they were gonna be in the hall of fame. So I I I just thinking of other sports where you have to certain positions. Of words you're the best at it why would you be in the hall of fame he's the best person to return kicked ball right. That guy and that's a skill so that's it now lesson. It's different now it is an Alice trying to legislate a lot of that out of the game with the way they're handling kick returns. Especially kickoffs more than punt returned the kick return specifically. But you know it took for ever. To get a second your kicker right in the NFL all of the pro football around the whole thing you had youngster Andrew who was the one for many many years right and then just this past year Morten Andersen. On the Great Dane right became the second just. Your kicker in the NFL where would this be like a reliever. In baseball. Com you don't. That that's well is that if you're not talking about a starter or they're that closer you know that that data comes in for those lesser of a reliever out of its own views throw in the middle any doubt that they would like a middle reliever Adam Miller of Lamar got original walking all exactly right. As middle reliever. That's an interesting question if that's your job because to me a middle reliever is as good as an important they are. They're basically setup men right where the guy who's really in a sealed the deal. Where as a kick returner by himself Archie setting up your offense for some really good field position yes but but when you take into the end zone right exactly might put us that he could be as did the deal sealer as well as the setup got you know I mean. Actually it'll be great if we get the final what are. What is average yards on returns as opposed to where they sit in terms of the relation because that that actually could make. A better case I mean I'm looking at his career. The average on the returns was average receiving yards were it was was thirteen yards per kick return divers kickoff return to your average horny just just one tick Tate 45 yards a return. It's pretty good. The kickoff return point five yards a return to a pretty good talk return to averaged just about twelve yards apart return and a point five yard kickoff returns pretty darned good I'd like to Wear those stand if we could now to figure that because I think that would either bolster weak in the Casey out legally because. In other words just like a home run hitter how many times you gonna hit one over the fence and alleys and you strike of a number already had 295. Kick returns. And he had 315. Park returns you know all that and it is a pretty healthy averages were to write more or that would stand. As far as overall averages. You want we put that up Obama as a Twitter poll final what's going on do you think you think do you think first ball. Well let's put that should they returner right did you return just think as a skills such a big kick returner. Be something that should be considered in the pro football fame because you know look. Thought he did on the biggest stage is possible I mean he started Super Bowl 41 against the colts right with they would they kick return for a touchdown. Against Indianapolis which eventually they wanted to win 29 to seventeen but it think about the bears scored seventeen points in that game. And he scored one of the only two touchdowns now and it was on a kick return to start the game you could never had a better. Set up to that game if you're Chicago with Rex Grossman as your quarterback or you it's Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison and and net and Dominic Rhodes and all those players you know use that. Need to get sore right your team on the edge to get him going he did that of course is still wasn't enough. I tend to think to be the best in your sport that's something there's no question that he had the best day at nine. Non dollar non offensive touchdowns he's the best data produced that should that get. Hall of fame recognition and get by the numbers five kick returns for his first two seasons twenty non offensive touchdowns in xenophile career sixteen receiving touchdowns one rushing touchdowns out it wasn't just those things go or not is that other stuff enough. A war put that article that window we also go to that window whose it is the at ESP Angola as well. That's it I'm sure football people were wanna give the respect to a football part of that does that and saved be in the hall of fame I've IB wondered wondered hear what what others would think about that. Why don't we hear from one why don't always right now is. Our money at football analyst Jon Gruden joins us on the show opens all performance line. It isn't gold status at shell joined the fuel rewards program now at fuel rewards dot com slash gold. John I don't know how much of that conversation you heard but it it is sort of an interesting discussion. With Devin Hester looked obviously he didn't do things or round the return game as much as other people have but he has more of those kind of scores. That anybody in NFL history. In your mind have you thought about the idea of maybe we have to someone who specifically a returner of the football be eligible for the hall of fame. Why anatomy that's the way the world's going where Macon exceptions were just about everything these days that I think there is place for Devin Hester to be. Enshrined in the hall financial people do remember his accomplishments but. I think the criteria at the hall of fame is a little bit different I think yep played a certain amount of snaps at tickets for the every down players. That in some ways maybe it does discriminate against punters and kickers in returners or coverage beat by. Perhaps there will be a special place for Devin Hester and older should be I would imagine there are some more genes in the hall spam them already without him haven't been strike. And maybe something that won't help his cause so much as part returns eleven point seven for crew that's tied for eighth. Kickoff return to 25 yard burst pipe for 67 now. I did the people out of America they've done it less which it could we could break that down a little more but an interesting thing either way Devin Hester are retiring from football with the most non offensive touchdowns. In NFL history all right John. What a while our world of sports happen to the patriots last Monday. And I'm surprised you that that might. You know and it we all know it's Kryptonite when the Linley goes the Miami's south or to them traditionally been as dominant on the road them and whatever reason whether the hotel or the sleet service I don't know what it is but. They got manhandled dating goal for eleven on third down you're you're not gonna win the game they'd lose the turnover battle which they never do. My nervous and a lot of great players if you just pull up their defense their world championship defense from a year ago. And then look at eleven men that played on defense against Miami thought that you'll city. Is that there are up against the real. Did that go on this week and that's forgotten how to get as many stops is they are among others eat sent over eight weeks was given up all points a game. Are missing a lot of fire power on defense. On Rob Gronkowski not playing is huge deal. I saw him struggle without gronkowski on the road camp earlier and they were the same team in Miami without guard either. An enormous market and in their right back or Burma and a lot of patriots. And for that reason they had struggled a little bit the last few weeks. Yes it's interesting John the last two games even though they've they've won pretty convincingly in buffalo. The offense also seemed a little sluggish it was the defense is sort of carried him through that game as they got after Tyrod Taylor. And he had to leave that game and obviously they were limited when Nathan Peter he came in. But you look at the last two games Brady is throwing three interceptions. And one touchdown is it is it's something that you're seeing in Brady or the players that are her around him that aren't there is a bigger concern for you. Although the latter part of that as a bigger concern for me I'm not concerned about pretty whatsoever. You know they. You lose gronkowski that's one I remember there mr. annually an omen to let her team in receptions a year ago their miss and what you're blonde who had eighteen rushing touchdowns franchise record. Or miss and are right tackle and Armisen most of their decent. I think they're gonna continue to have to win some games. On the patriot like they might have to win a couple ugly games like you're talking about against buffalo on the road. But Tom Brady is still a great quarterback I don't have any. Our reservations about that I've studied him enough but they do need to find other ways other players. I get the ball then and I think Josh McDaniels does a great job that you did not have a good night at all. It isn't just appoint John and because you have Tom Brady they always get the benefit of the doubt it's just like quit it Aaron Rodgers is on the field all they have Aaron Rodgers so they have a chance put at some point. You just say and maybe do we think the patriots. Might be very even if they only have three losses but we're talking about a Super Bowl championship or bust for them that sometimes you there's just too much to overcome with lack of talent on the field may because of injury or whatever other reason. Now that that's the case might damage for a that they Tom Brady lost desire he met Tom Brady lot of these Ortiz over the hill. Yet 3700. Yards and 26 touchdowns and what they're she was ripped in the league up. It would be MVP. Candidate number one overall if you ask me on eight. He has a bad night without gronkowski they're missing too many. Up from last year's team right now hopefully straight flowers idol bad boy mark is can. Or big time players now openly they'd come back. Is suited up on the road against it Gergen I'll make things very generous. If Jon Gruden with us here on gold and we go to that point when the patriots lost in the AFC champs to game to Denver that your. And the and the Broncos in Panthers. Made it to the Super Bowl I think combined that your the Broncos and Panthers had seventeen players on injured reserve and the patriots had to be like 21 so help there's always going to play a part in this but we now have John what could be an epic showdown Sunday. In Pittsburgh bout with the Steelers getting juju Smith Shuster back after scoring 39 points and bad passing for 500 charge without him. And now you get gronkowski back for Tom Brady look. The question then becomes for this game because of the Steelers. Issues on defense and some of the things you alluded to with the patriots. And there are holes on defense right now on whether or not some of those players will be back. Is this game going to be come down do whom for what could be by the way home field advantage in the AC essentially whoever has the ball last. Now possibly sound like shoot out to me when you look at the steeler defense or miss and obviously right Shays here. You can't underestimate how great he was he was say every now got warmer it was good against the run and pass and he can chase down plays Emeka. How helped prevent a long run other also miss and Joseph Haden I don't know Hayden is going to be back he's their best cornerback. And Mike Mitchell been out the bell what injuries that safety. Older streaky Pittsburgh Steelers. And I you know I gotta say it's it's going to be issued out I do believe that the patriots are depleted on the crest which you have. Then route will Berger Tom Brady with all the hit on the table you can't miss this game I get got to say this. The winning edge to meet for the it's urge Steelers as are also supplying. I think if you're really look beat sperm left tackle or right that all led by Mike Munchak are great offensive line coach. They dealer to win it because of their overall. Dominant up front on the offensive line. One and a football analyst Jon Gruden joining John grew endurance on the shell Pennzoil performance on of course coach winning to room wall with Tampa Bay has been on this Monday the falcons at Tampa Bay. Another big game is going to be the Carolina Panthers or sitting in now a wild card spot right now against. Visiting Green Bay Packers or on the outside looking in kind of a long shot to make the class but still the chance. In their yard John I know we've asked you who have asked other coaches before as well hi you treat. A injured player coming back and in this case Aaron Rodgers always cleared medically to go is that all you need to hear as a head coach. If you're stuck kinda still in the playoffs how do you decide how you want to use Aaron Rodgers ours are clearly just it did if the medical staff says he goes he goes. Well you have desk obviously. The doctors that that the case and it's it is the case you go right there in Rogers and has given went on these seals. You know how prepared aria. Obvious deal about going out here after missing a lake eight period at time. Bad weather games big games on the road etc. Had a great conversation with him and also he got a good look at how we look on the practice field all I've Curtis raving reviews of him thrown the ball on the practice field with his teammates. Electricity goes way out one number twelve walks in the building and as a green light. But I'm gonna go there Rogers to the doctors say so and A-Rod says sale wanna play. I'd say let's go play and make playoffs even up we have the back in like we did last year. And they've got to have Rogers. Would you grew train I completely agree that playing him right now a lot knowledge he had one question to that let's let's let's do what we do what we sit here we look ahead we project and on and now we saved Aaron Rodgers plays goes to Carolina but they lose that game so now basically they're out of the plants that they're not gonna make the playoffs now. Is there any thought in your mind as a coach you say okay. We're gonna announce it to the last two games why take a chance of bringing during this thing let's just get the end of the season YouTube that you completely healthy for next season. I. I think you deal with the wrong man. I think you're I think you're dealing with Iran yet you know when you get on the airplane and hammer brats they're upset we clinched the NFC south or are there any game might sit there next week's game he's not send the seeding means absolutely not and while we sit down. You've played a lot of football. He looked at me like he was gonna beat me up and these guys want to play these guys love the play. Their signatures they're they're defining moments are on the grass with their teammates. If Rodgers is good to go you really think he's gonna go they're all org watch read only. I doubt. Outlets puts you squarely in the Herman Edwards campaign and you play to win big games you go there you go so jump shot and Herbert cut from the same club there's no question that there's no question about it. I so we we hit you with a lot of football questions here but there was an interesting note. In the Monday night game we saw you may get sitting together with guy theory that the shaft. And make it some of those Cuban sandwiches and inhaling them by the way how much fun was that revenue. They he had no idea if you can get a guy to come to ESPN country you guys. He is really some kind of character and a great friend of become really good friends with guy got the good around South Florida yesterday and gabbana we. When Tillman episode of diners drive and had died I'd gotten it in the night T 68 car he drives around. I would also might get the belt cooks and Cuban sandwiches as. We just had a blast he's been up the ball and big raider fans. And out necklace now to art of rap in my mouth around. As a goal and it was drew who don't have all that low. Is dead now he must go back here Notre Dame days when you were really eaten. All the slams that commercial now you're looking to get. And I would love god love that show diners drive ins and an I love that show. I think it's a great show and I'd look I'd love to try that semitism about about it. Well look yet at a sandwich for you this past Monday in a real big honor for you John coming up this next Monday you're going into the box ring of honor. In the Monday night game of the box welcoming the falcons what what does that mean to you my friend. Yeah you know my dad coach with a buck up Democrats scratch listen 1980. Do a damn work for job gave my dad draft that he beyond drafted both Jackson Hole and it worked out. My on my best friends are in camp and in this organization so it's going to be humbling obviously very emotional for me it. I just can't wait to reunite with the Super Bowl champion team and and a lot of Buccaneers that I grew and they've redone and football what football is his being a coach's son. Run around what Jane Lauder catches it get to passes Doug Williams and and now he's green and. Article demonstrates a couple days while running back at University of Missouri I'm not mistaken zarrella. Jockey gradually by the way I love the fact that we had you talk from a guy Thierry so you can actually say I love that guy love which is the doctorate. That guys have not done a lot of yeah absolutely a job we're thrilled for you go out of the hall of fame congratulations after the season's over I know would get together and talk about the draft which is gonna be a lot of fun lot of quarterbacks John. My goal the first round of this draft which makes it very interesting. 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Mean it's important for him to step up and situations where these guys who you're hoping to be at least court player here granted it's not the case here franchise. What to shine and he you know Matt has regarded he can't play well there and each immunity gained and I I thought it was a good moment for him get at a time and therefore it. It says that his first summer league game his first Staples Center game I think he needs. Generally tended to have. Of working hand in those big moment in the first time he really had a big big game on the big stage. Well certainly he certainly did but they they came up a little short how would you rate Alonso season so far so much talk about him you're coming into the draft and how we played really well at times in the summer league at what what do you think he's what forty think he sort of leveling off now. I mean it's really just a the competence and shooting and everything else is there but you watch it like yeah. Opponents to cut out and I'm glad veteran goalie like sexy guys who played against him but I'd go what did you mean by Larry knowing any satellite lap and I am ready to talk to Michael do you leave the united just a guy you've been around and he and other rookies who didn't repeat themselves. And and people love him I mean my amber that one guy in that I couldn't believe you just go on on on how how great he was a pretty content like that. Like people like people really liked his game because he plays that until there's a tumble style he makes really quick to. Decisions he's a great point guard me the tag I wanna play with great is he's not really looking for I don't shot all the time but the problem is yet. The outlook for gunshot all the human activities especially if you're gonna be that big appointed yes they have to the felt lined up and let users EU that. That fuel for the game that everybody talked about him what we haven't seen yet is a competitor and aggressiveness and you're not consistently aggressive that the Pentagon is keen for that they're just gonna sag opulent and if they don't really respect your shot your ability to make it then you're gonna be Rajon Rondo. And I think that was it it is way way way too early as today. What kind of player he's gonna be in the NBA but when became an elite everything we all by which was. You know he he he could be Rajon Rondo he can be Ricky Rubio. Really have been such a surreal rocket to the ways he's really really fun to watch that and most viewers came Rosie has a long way to go and we we know what comes along with that Ramon your you're around that a lot more than we are to me. His dad Lavar has become kind of white noise nothing affects me on what he says anymore I just think about that the kids in the situations that therein. But obviously it affected. Or it seems over affected the lakers are enough to have a meeting with Lavar ball Lavar ball. Critical of teammates and who didn't passed Alonzo one point critical of the coaching. As well and we know he's gonna speak his mind so Walt baby white noise to have people like Trey and I. And not there are so much so what went out of that meeting and was there anything agreed to in that meeting. Yeah I think diet I heard about this. About a week week or two and maybe we get a house about kind of right after it happened and and he. He and I didn't you know I I I didn't know exactly what Eliza has to I have to report reality cart people on planet exactly that who was spared. And look better than being led the final eight laps and I had a lot to get enough of the sourcing narron didn't look Karbala there and he is going to. That I I'm writing a collector's items don't take your. And eat at you know. It might in a diverse diet heard was. The lakers essentially played him him and you gotta tone it down when may we talked about the criticism of coach and other players it. We we want revealed they really want that you're right that it then we knew we are doing when they're adapting you know we knew we were what is the lakers are one of those teams that are sort of eight. You like drama as LA is that you renowned Hollywood that the worst he can be is boring so bad and finally the holiday. As long as he's still. Play well on the court but when you have when you think they get stuff but he made the coach it does create negative atmosphere and to what payout and let's just keep positive and yes and they can they come to us first degree type media and last night I had a lie about it yet to outright it's Barack Abby don't get let go and it was a really good thing that they talk to me and over again about that and that the lines of communication open and by. That they Obama. Because I think coach and until his whole life but I know what makes my tactic and I. And I don't like about diet and so I'd plant seeds and announced. That they'll vote they attributed battle. I know that they that lake and I know want to wait for not meeting feeling like they had a good understanding. Of Brevard he was gonna try to be more positive he's gonna try to at least. I think before he says certain types of thing and by. Don't literally that meeting with two weeks ago and and the next week he wouldn't get a hold other round of interviews and balconies and Ian and The Today Show and some valid with his younger signs. We're going to Gannett in the Angela let's pull out UCLA. And obviously the mellowed and pull out of high school earlier like it was it. That coming out that kind of torment he went on to criticize Obama again and you're an idiot still pales. You know how effective fellows. And remain in the. Yeah does it doesn't sell it really took so we'll we'll see if they have to be another reading about that going forward more children. Joins us on this opens a performance line is she has a piece right now the greatest story ever troll which is a great title Benoit. A deep dive and how to Elin beat his turn the sixers fame process into performance. It's now espn.com you can download and listen to the double truck podcast on the ESPN app or what can you tell us about the on credit precedent access you had two MB. And what did you learn from this process. Usual word that you didn't know maybe before you started this piece. Now I. It is like as you know when you're when you're right a district think that people say you're looking at making it's not okay I'm man. I'm just didn't act like letters. What is it from me that certainly isn't caught up in New Orleans at the altar and remember humanity campaign to try to get into the game. He didn't and but. But episode happening at nearby and saw court side and I think when you can't match. I don't know what he's up close we'll outline an hour ago that the way. That should they make you still show up regularly HI patrol in the league or Egypt one appeared to be around it can you wanna be your someday and say look I'm just trying to have as much time that I can be where it may turn them. And it was such a date and I public. How packet that was anyway but I darker hypocritical that's fatalistic great but are they haven't had a showed this incredible understanding that the same cycle I'm and I thought the department has like. This is like a 22 year old kid from Cameroon who didn't speak English six years ago let alone play basketball. And somehow he Blake now in the United States trolling on Twitter and how excited and like you know the other person and I like Shaquille O'Neal. And everybody like that Israeli nobody nobody even close to turning on him. He had just like that 31 bad game you'd seen as a rookie and there are pretty much and he says something like that. How you understand the same cycle what were we build to that carried out and then go to back up again upkeep of that had Heidi get that and I was. That was the beginning of the whole thing just like Al I understand it. I'm curious as Oprah started rough but don't you said the white who did he give you reason why he thought eventually people would turn on him. Yeah you know everybody just so impact ever ever like something and you know he is there below it kind of perverse in the negative happens everybody just curry had a well what I've ever done but people turn on him in the Brian -- what threats and it was kind of like just. You know what exactly. Critical right even if it was clinical and yet it was more of an understanding and I think the market timely and then I am not by the jumping off point of our conversation and we rent a car together for like two hours in Sacramento that it turned from everything could technically you're gonna play game. And I'm delighted that Allison. Well look I do know that you understand that and I'm worried. The white hot and why did accurately. Like it's not like he's afraid of it. And knows it's coming and it's almost like he's preparing himself for it to be in this world where like maybe we don't think he's funny anymore may be content alliance and that is that something that you want. There's something that he needs. And I didn't think that NBA has personality a little bit more kinda cool. That he need that he needs at the pound you good teammate and I'll say at. When when people can't trust problem is that if they don't Janet you get that that. I can count on. And and it's like. A look at this new. Without it he'd like it and natural that he's one of those people on Twitter will lead something at cute just to get a rise out of you and that's what makes him back. Batter and imbued with like you know I'm on the road in the end and people are like chill values. Yeah I love that they don't candidate secular that makes me sleepy this. There is a big man with a big personality got a lot of I'm with you elective like Shaq you gotta love this we don't we know a lot of guys to kind of are little more introverted certainly not Jack certainly not a beat a great store talker movement Ramona shell Ron Shelton's all forms on a three time academic all American its effort today playing softball and I love this. Mountain that was a professional screenwriter for children's TV shows very very cool there I want you to answer until one question we asked this morning get away from Alonso away from draw again. If you can only have one on your toy now would you take Crist opera singers or bend Simmons. Well we it's. Have a go to them and I'm gonna get it and he lit up a really hard question but because of how could be able to. It's limited eventually gonna learn to shoot docket as she left handed anymore you'd like this offseason they're gonna just make him a right handed shooter I think because it's clear that what he should be by his game he has that it'll Ron LeBron James coming. A punch like he could be that good. And he's a playmaker. This entire season are ready. All right so I just knocking out lucky on the what do we. I. I'm nervous about all of them but. I mean I'm only gonna go with a great. Point guard playmaker over the great big man because it Bateman is a point guard to get involved so. Insists that it is only my preference. 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The award for early influence sister Rosetta far gradually as your performer category. We have here Simone who you're all back in the fifties in the sixties. Moody Blues. Dire straits. Cars. And Banjul. Congratulations all of them gone and maybe a rock and roll hall thing I always find it interesting what what is. Classified as rock and roll you know there's so many different kinds of jury should seems like it's all sort of gone into. Popular meter reader and a musical favorites out of Iraq and only because not rock and roll you do kind of think of one thing right don't release out of genres I think like for example we have some Bon Jovi we can play right. They go by the way by Jolie once came the sport senator. Commercial that we took over the newsroom it was verify listen I we spent a lot of time green had a lot of pilot Bon Jovi were here is part of the Philadelphia soul you know he and Ron Jaworski were greening our calling. 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