Nov 7, 2018|
The guys talk about the release of the new CFP Rankings with ESPN CFB Writer Heather Dinich before talking about the start of the CBB season with Dan Dakich & more.
Day 1 of the NCAA Championship Tournament is done and how are your brackets holding up. The NFL is looking at changes in the way that they review penalty plays.
Bruce Pearl joins to talk about the win last night and Gianni Karalis talks about how the betting books are looking after yesterdays games.
Dan Dakich joins the guys to talk about the brackets after yesterdays games, Bubba joins for Love It or Shove it and the guys believe that Izzo is a good coach.
The guys talk with Damien Woody about who is top of this year QB class, if the NFL should implement a Sky Judge and That Bites.
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We have had hooked on phonics window and here this morning apple we laying it down for us so a lot we are we're a liar of 360 fire early years and I've already shot and out you know earlier probably go to dinner everybody thinks so it's enabled join us in just a little bit to get more on college basketball but again. Leading off the show today is what happening college football and the big news is that now Notre Dame is in the dreaded three spot even though I no longer address our. Freeze dried and more I'm now college football rankings came out last night no real surprises Alabama Clemson Notre Dame the top three teams all unbeaten. Michigan sneaks in at number four. Georgia and Oklahoma just outside. Maybe the most amazing. Oh shoot two losses and only seven well that was demise of my thought was Washington State Ohio State UCF all did not move with wind I I thought. LSU may fall behind I wondered what relish you fall behind Washington State. And eight where they fall behind Ohio State which is a ten and all of that and ghosts I move up I figure there would still be ahead of UCF. But I thought Washington State and Ohio State. Would move up issue got blanked gained 29 zip and with two losses they still stayed ahead of those two teams so. I think I may say more what the committee thinks maybe your Washington State and Ohio sent our states are there was not an impressive win but a win nonetheless all. I think Mike that that that kind of said something there. And speaks to what the committee views Ellis you resonate outside it's what they being the Alabama first and foremost Alabama is so good you getting smoked at home was surprising to a and you have back to back wins against Georgia against Mississippi State. You we know you'll Miami Auburn don't look like Uga wins now but it beginning right year. We thought a lot more of those so certainly valuing those big winds or LSU and what do you look at strength of schedule or gain control or anything like that. There are other metrics that spewing their favorable calling off that loss that is a big statement from the committee. It certainly is again were present about progressive insurance all phone guests join us on the show pencil performance line but the college football rankings released. Is brought to you by the 2019 Ford F 150 it doesn't just raise the bar. It is the bar. So what is the bar that the committee is trying to look at what all these numbers and the implications that we're getting from who moved up and maybe who didn't move up going forward. Well here's rob Mullins from the committee of from the early show last night basically talking about Wyatt laid out the way it did. When you look at those guys Michigan had a very impressive win on Saturday that's two consecutive wins. In a row the best defense in the country. And approving shape Patterson's EZ their offense continue to improve. But at the same time I Notre Dame has had that's steady defense. And then you're seeing some growth with in Booker at cornerback and at the end of the day. Through ten weeks you still have the head to head so by the committee felt better David three Michigan four was appropriate this week. Hey Rick it's book. And I know your name is rob I did it on purpose RTM booked idea Booker you know why you did it Eric because we aren't that. Thanks Rick Marlins it is good to retire Greg Myers exclusive and don't. And as someone who accidentally slipped up and called diamond people Jones from Michigan Jonathan Peoples Jones a McCollum a little slack because there's a lot of names we all laughter or malice or and that is beneath us. To criticize them or for some like oh it's so it's not just in fans chill out my mentioned. If nothing is he's got let's be clear that in the bud as so I think what becomes injured most interesting to me and his his big debate going in all week seemed to be a lot of people a lot of our analysts saying they wanted to justify Michigan being over Notre Dame. But when I heard from will ever on the shoulder a little bit Heather did it too is dialed in the committee room she's a big debate seemed a lot closer actually between Michigan and Georgia right Georgia sitting merit that five spot in Michigan that really separated in a lot of ways by a razor thin market. And here's the thing for Georgia and Michigan doesn't matter. Doesn't matter where you put right now because Georgia is playing Alabama if Georgia beat Alabama. There are going to be in Georgia loses Alabama they are not going to be an. And the continued contested two is going to be Michigan and Notre Dame. Because they are to play wanton and earning him one but the Michigan people wanna say that it would be destruction game now of which are clueless about that. But no doubt Michigan is a much better team but nor a better team as well. But they don't they've already played each other now it's just comparing what they do to say who should Jerry you know should Michigan job Notre Dame. That's going to be the thing that that goes on and now. I think what really actually helps Notre Dame because people are sick of Michigan keeps winning they're gonna beat Ohio State which is sitting at number ten that's a big win for. Well now thanks to stand sixteen Syracuse. Syracuse or Cigna thirteenth two after this week. You know and no Notre Dame plays a Florida State and Michigan play mom I don't know Michigan hasn't been as rocker doesn't run killers OK so a lot of gold it's scary years you guys you know whatever I saw after they play this was bad debt Anasazi dozed not bend Notre Dame will play it will play Syracuse in new York and who had a great error. So I don't think Michigan is going to have enough as I said all along to jump Notre Dame with one loss of Notre Dame is undefeated and has Michigan what I go to the to the Big Ten championship game which is gonna be against a very lower ranked. Different team you know I probably don't have right now would be against northwestern so maybe eight during area rematch against the northwestern team. That brought in stout but not ranked ranked at this point I'm ranked and that's O that it becomes important when you look outside because. Look at the top ten teams right now those are the only team with a chance to crack reach final four yes with any bit of chaos involved in this it ends at Ohio State is the stopper and even they are long shot. In this situation. Everyone else is about trying to help build your resume that's why for Michigan Michigan State. Penn State still being ranked in the bottom to top 45 is huge for them right now of those teams drop out the resume starts to look a little bit less impressive all of this stuff starts to matter Texas still hanging out at nineteen in the top 25. Four teams like West Virginia and Oklahoma still Matt. That's the point right I think we all. Feel like this is an inevitable conclusion but is Reese pointed out last night. There's still a lot of chaos that may mess this thing up entirely there's so much ball play you know Notre Dame it's been a little bit shake your lately and they were for that once stretched Michigan's got to get over the whole problem and Ohio State Ohio State's got to get I've missed in state. There are a lot of a lot of things it's still a good unfold over the next few Saturday. Listen I grew that Clinton play in Boston College this weekend in DC that's where game they will be. She can be a tough I'd half tough out for close at Notre Dame Syracuse I think is going to be a tough game as well Michigan Ohio State I know Michigan is having a mosque near the defense is is is playing lights out. Right now in shape Patterson there is running that offense much better but it's still Michigan I'll say at Ohio State. So there that I Greece is right there are some things second screw some other things up. Your gym outside the top for the control whose own destinies Georgia right yes without Georgia that's it. I'd Georgia beat Alabama in the SEC title game they're going to be an obviously sell other than that certainly they don't stumble right or right right exactly yeah a lot of assumption that there is that's. There's a lot of assumption that the read undefeated teams right now we've had three undefeated teams make the college football playoff in the history of this system right so far and so to think that that'll hold now it's a bit of a different year the way it shook out usually Notre Dame would have a scamper southern cal who's higher ranked at the end of the schedule. Usually Clemson would have to worry about Miami coming on the other side of the ACC. Usually Alabama doesn't have a two atop the viola quarterback so there have been reasons why this would happen in the past the interesting thing to keep an eye on for me. Because we all operate under the premise that Alabama is already got this thing one bright and the only thing that really do you relevant as health and we saw a little bit of that against LSU would too and that he'd. And the most interesting part is went to went out who did not commit. Was genuine hurt saw him the Geron for an angle up and around so that's some good to keep an eye on here is that really hangs by a string because for the longest time they had the ultimate insurance policy budget writers there. And now that's in question for the first time that's what we've been relegated to a college ball by the way is disgusting that as the means to the type. Should there be appears relevant right should there be any issued to and Jalen Hertz is they're do we have a problem. Nebulous should they ever being a close game with a kicking game be a problem right now but I sort of where we are with Alabama you're trying to search brings out now right so we all agree with Greece there's lot of ball up the play. But then Reece last night with the guys brought up the idea wolf what happens if Alabama does stumble. We all kind of think that. They're still going to be in pretty good shape. And Reese brought up a counterpoint and I think he was shot down pretty quickly Clemson went sell if Notre Dame wins out if Michigan went out in the Georgia has beaten them in the championship game right I don't think he'll go I think can be tough on the committee now I don't they're not supposed to look back I think it would be tough to lead out. Say the Big Ten champion three years and roll. Order old Mitt and unbeaten Notre Dame team who beat the Big Ten champion. So I I think it felt bad if so what else loses and that group that Alabama would probably have a pretty good case but if it's a scenario legislate out I don't think they would go I don't think they could survive the one law. We should point out Reese is from Alabama went Alabama does I'm not no not at all yeah I I I still hold the what I said earlier. That if Michigan it. And and let let's do this wrote quickly as far as everybody winning out including Alabama according to ESPN's playoff predictor. 39%. Chance that the current top four teams went out so. Where and this scenario were playing. Says Alabama loses to Georgia. I think of Alabama loses George I don't think you wouldn't blow out if I say if it loses because if you get blown out right I don't know one finger committees always told us I figured that that's been good at Ohio State for sure I agree with that off I'm saying three to seven point game. I think Alabama is absolutely and I think Michigan got left out I I actually think that's all bowed out all right let's assume for a second that there is chaos in Michigan who's played very well without what you don't have that they're good they go into the shoot a few weeks. I don't hostage beats him. And RC beats him invade now. Are that one loss team out out of the Big Ten. We think that's enough to vault them over other teams if they're written crown for yes if we assume that Oklahoma and West Virginia don't split the two games I might play ya know AM that same scenario of Georgia beat Alabama Alabama's game in over Ohio State as well I don't even meanwhile state jumps. If Oklahoma beat West Virginia twice on the go how's that jumps Oklahoma. I think if you gave one loss champion out of the big twelve. And you get a reviewed the situation with Alabama either of those teams would be in line over the Ohio State Big Ten champion just because of the blowout it. I hear us not only that but they stayed based they came in last week at ten. They won and they stayed at ten I mean that the committee is telling us up there are their right Washington State's candidate you know how states stated ten UCF stated twelfth so keep just keep that in mind after the first two rankings. No matter what Ohio State is on the Evan move and that I think that's a really good indicator where the committee feels about their body of work going into whatever may happen. And for Ohio State while you may be close to the outside looking in on this as far as they gamers Michigan because we know that its own separate entity for the series yeah that rivalry game. Ohio State's. For them in a position they're not used to which is there watching Michigan get all this hype. And no one's talking about Ohio State right. They're allowed to kind of exist right now under the radar and savings does not happen there and a game is at home for an idea that's one of the alas it Michigan's gotten a lot of their top game. At home this year they just had Penn State at home the fourteenth ranked team so it I think this is a unique position were I think you've come to this flying under the radar a bit which is probably necessary for this team and what the team has been through through the course this season. Think the conference everybody is kind of ripping the saying is horrible this year all the sudden has fourteenth ranked yeah that's CAC sheet direct to the biggest jumps has been Syracuse jumped six spots at thirteen North Carolina North Carolina State jumped seven spots of fourteen Boston college at seventeen. And clogs and number two the current problems are on the same division right I think that that that's a that's the issue there so off Clinton keeps winning me you know they're playing OPEC. You know it looks like Leo it's Peyton or that I got the best record on the other side the coastal. Are right now assault. Woolsey the other thing that you brought up again is golden we goes presented by progressive insurance commercial insurers to progressive protection business and you dream. Usual with thirty coverage options to rest of commercial dot com. When you look at the the metrics everything that the committee looks at you you was Dooley pointed out your I went assuming this morning. 'cause you have Reza may ranks there and there's SOS and SOR yes now strength of schedule is SOS. As so our strength of record and we bashed Clemson all season long for the strength of schedule. But the strength of record the third best him and we needle more clarification of what that actually is right gather the strength of record as is out. Explain what the lives trying to record is essentially right after Gordon or NBA I thought I was saying yeah right the record is. What did what the computer believe the average college football team would do against your schedule yet and that's why we use war to baseball a quote wins above replacement right actually right because strength of record metric. Has been one of the most reliable indicators of semifinalists S fifteen. Of the past sixteen teams have gone in the playoff including all twelve teams the past three seasons have ranked in the top four of strength of. Record so electable one and I'm really bug you looked at me where you wanted to mutes winded and out over my son because I can't believe you thought I was gonna explain that and strength of record right now. The top striker record number one Notre Dame number two Alabama number three climbs and number four Georgia number five. Michigan that's the Anderson one Georgia is at number four and this is why I think when we talked to head there this is going to be interesting because the margin between that you get up you get a point value for this and I forgive forget what the first you know the numbers before the decimal point arc. These two are separate in the strength of resume metric by 1100. Of a point while. 1100 of a point separates beat commit no separate Michigan from Georgia in what is seen as being most predictive analytic my poppies. For the comedian waited they rate it. And that is not. Specter's staff that's just 1100 the points of that that basically is telling Georgia payment. Keeping hammered out but keep the hammer down forty leading up to Alabama this one is going to be easy if they they all if they keep winning. If Michigan wins out of Georgia wins out Georges and rockets absolutely deserted in Alabama that that not even a question. You've got the teams that controller own destiny now you've got the teams in need a little help the job Michigan's of the world the Oklahoma's of the world and you've got the chaos theory teams. Like Carter says I should say West Virginia and Oklahoma a narrower right and then you've got into chaos theory teams in Washington State no violence it right well. Let's look at this real quickly does Michigan. They have they have rockers this week brightness and do and who does who does Georgia have this week Georgia you're on all orders OK number 24 social right now he's organized that's my point I think Georgia has a chance it this may be one of those scenarios where Michigan doesn't win by thirty. And Georgia puts the hammer down on Auburn. This could look very different but it doesn't matter yeah a guy again I I've. It may metaphor that we put it overall it doesn't matter because it all comes down to Georgia into Alabama. Yet those teams up top the teams in that top six area jockeying for position are more security in the top ten the only one we can rule out as LS UL you no longer has a place in this conversation despite their ranking. Other than to show what Alabama mean. Before everyone else you know we kinda know were they all fall in the hierarchy it is absolutely an in just a little over an hour as you mentioned June you'll have other Dynegy does a great job for us. Yes she. Grew up metrics and she's all that on the metrics are great college football writer I shall do is to help break down some of those scenarios will will be talking about will also be joined of humans but she may well McKay. A did Dokic will join us at 830 I'm curious what he has to say about what he saw last night again. It is a really good team and duke just said hold my dear. If they can't. Goal within windows. Great way to go one might call it senior. We're delighted to join as we will every week by ESPN college football analyst Heather did its. Joins us and all state knows that football season is mayhem and that's why the reminding fans that have made and can show up on game day. Imagine what can happen the rest of the week. So get better protected with Allstate Heather thanks for being weather's not exactly mayhem but we do have the change Michigan is in the top four. But there is still the possibility for a lot of things to go completely bonkers here right. I was not much and I mean here's one for you. What is Georgia. Loses to Georgia attacked and beat Alabama. You got a lot and he can't beat them not for the book then. We can play that game all day as. Absolutely play that game all day. The put a secular right now let's treat Georgia where there rat before that potential lost to a triple option team and stayed going into this ranking because. I heard you and I saw your article on espn.com. Talk about the strength of resonate metric and how much that means there's a committee and we saw it was razor thin at that mentored between Georgia and Michigan for the committee how close was that decision for this round rankings. Well I asked committee chair rob bonds that last night and he said that there are some significant debate over it at the end of the day. All questions that that Michigan is simply a better team a lot of how do you. With their deep and gets hot they did. Again Wednesday night allowing them to score and hill late in night games so. Clearly that Michigan was the better teams so it's on Georgian go ahead and win out in the SEC I think tax. So many people have her look at strength of schedule and just kind of put all all hurt you know everything on that. When it seems a committee loves the strength of record so. In his layman terms as you can for people like me. Explain why strength of record is so one of what strength of record is and why it's so important to the committee. Season record is important because sixteen of the half. Sixteen semifinalists. Had been in the top corner that's an ESPN that. I'm not ours are. How much that me actually you and that magic they can't they want to be able to explain it but the reason that it is that in good indicator. Because it explains. 1% and sent it top 25 teens have been going against that record and I know Alan here because. Notre Dame right now in number one nasty and strengthen record at some people have add in schedule right but that means. That the average top 25 team would have just eight I percent chance to go nine now right now against that team has. Heather Bennett two of those are college football analyst and listen I may be our metric but the committee should use it because. That's strength of metric thing the strength of record matters incredible. Fifteen of the past sixteen teams have gone in the playoff including all twelve teams other the last three seasons. Ranked in the top four a string of record entering the bowl season so. That may have been their rhetoric but it's one they should really be using. And it and it actually is and how I guess I act I just it's sticking with that Heather all that point. We know now with those top teams kind of world this lies we know the top fourteen. When it comes to that Georgia right in on this but for the latter half of the top ten we see LSU checking and it's seven right now and that to me was the most startling result. For the week and what indication does that provide to us from the committee's thinking. Well I think that goes back to you just where they weren't last week in terms of strength of schedule act as the top one lot team. That I know it's a reflection now other teens. Like Ohio they are not playing very well. I mean the committee has noticed that over the past two weeks they shrapnel so when you take other results like that and any act that instantly what we're seeing on the field and goes on it other contenders. And you come out with a back that LSU lost to the number one team in the country. I mean good luck to anybody who plays about an hour right now but I I would agree that I was surprised that they didn't drop a little bit are there especially considering how much Florida struggled last Saturday. Other big twelve fans are sure going to be screaming because we're talking about the ACC a bit obvious who climbs in the SEC may be getting two teams in and the Big Ten with Michigan. And here's Oklahoma West Virginia could play twice in a matter of two weeks. What about them what what are their chances realistically in your mind a 41 of those teams big winning both those games and haven't shot to get in. Well I think the chances of slam only because as you pointed out they have they very well could be playing each other like eighteen weeks with Oklahoma going in Morgantown on on that Friday night and regular season. But again I go back I had and what we opt from Oklahoma this past week. Was ten penalties for over a hundred yards two turnovers allowing almost 500 total are not defensive performance so yes. They have a great quarterback west averaging yet amazing you'd like to win that game. Big win in Austin. They're all it as a one loss conference in the one that would be in consideration. But I think they need somehow because neither one has looked like at topped fourteen. No they haven't Heather did it with us are college football and thus helping us breakdown the the latest rankings released the top four. Again Alabama Clausen Notre Dame Michigan as Ford Georgia five Oklahoma six. Now when we all sort of been playing this game all along rather that this is all nice but congratulations to Alabama winning. Another national championship. For Nick Saban because they have the offense with to a torn by blow up. But Reese Davis on the selection show are the car the conference ranking Joba because more like usual last night said he believed it somehow Alabama slips up. And they don't win in Georgia beats him he thinks they might be left out do you believe that's going to be the case should Alabama do we don't expect. Get tripped up. Well I think there's two factors that one who wins the Big Ten if it's a one loss Michigan I think that they would stand a great chance to get it instead of Alabama Alabama does not in the SEC. And sue in the close game how we tacking about Alabama in a field goal. What happens in Saturday do they tumbled down the stretch as well so I don't think you can honestly answer that question without knowing what happens in the Big Ten. And what happens with Notre Dame. But if Ohio's other act and if they win the big tent in Al I mean. Right now how am. Not not a clear headed there but it depends on on those other pack days. Are edited on the shelf annual performance line Heather this is always a question for me the way to committee deals with. How teams are ranked and when we see so many teams we talk about whether it's ranked at the time a game took place like Notre Dame early schedule games on the road against a ranked Virginia Tech or early ranked Stanford. Vs now what Michigan's dealing with rattling off a few ranked opponent in the road. For the committee how much doctor they poured into weary team is currently ranked first is where they were ranked at the time the game was played. That is one of the you'd Larry if lines in this whole process beyond you and rob all the committee chairman asked about him all night because. When you explain answers he says well. They had X amount wins against CFP I 25 teams and when he's saying that he's looking at the current list of top 25 teens. So as they rent them they're not necessarily going through and saying. They have gotten anyway because they don't know it can they haven't been there ranking. But there's also the human element break. You and I we we've watched Michigan so I had eight days seen Michigan get that much better week after week so. The wind Notre Dame over Michigan continues to look better because soda the wolverines so there's little bit comments and little that I had involved and it. And there's also just a little bit of a blurring a line in terms of when they're ranked which is why the final ranking at the mattered most. Well listen we're all team common sense here more than anything else and you help us get through the comments sometimes not so common sense. In the in the rankings every week whether we appreciate able taught you next week okay. You've got. 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Yeah but we're not too and I admit that we did let your hair up your hair your mind are the suggestion from the room drawing on your way to thicken your blood and bedroom I was yeah American Airlines. Magnify yet here the last best top Henry who attend a one bag over ten vikings nine Steelers eight. Redskins seven charges six Panthers five seats for. Patriots three chiefs to rams won. Things changed I. I want winners want people that wanna win only thing that matters are you winning that's the only thing that matters are -- go let's start up. Yeah. You'd take down the last unbeaten. You've vaulted ahead of the class with their seventh straight win here now the New Orleans Saints I'll number one broke four and. Power rankings why are helmet model Jerry. I have no problem with that I have no problem at all with that though I had this is the team that I picked I keep saying it gives it makes me sound really good I picked the states to represent the NFC in Super Bowl at the beginning of the season. This is this completed team there is not a bad defense has shown all right going up against maybe the best offense in the NFL one of them capable. Right on that defense I think really has caught us all what is happening shredded by its magic in week one but he and you take down the number one team unbeaten you win seven straight. You get the class are. Here we go. If that's saints game and played in the coliseum I think the rams might along Wu so why stick the rams. I check your fault that I mean listen they wanted the superdome they were down early what 35 to seventy and then they tied it up. 35 all before they ended up losing by ten so I I don't have a problem with that there's one other team I may have thought about putting their but I I I can't argue with that. Yeah so the rams stayed there again you are all you don't look like you're sold. I know what you know this weekend did seen the rams go toe to toe the team would be a bright veteran quarterback an all timer like Drew Brees. Not kind of remind us is graded your golf been I think there's still some hesitation for him. Note to me the question was. The way golf let him back I had no problem to me the question was the back into that defense without Aqib Talib that's their Achilles heel Marcus Peters has not played. Like the player they thought they they got when they picked or bought stokes the momentum plays in the game now and he even admitted after the game I got to play so that that's what that would be my bigger concern. And the run defense more than JR golf I like the wager golf settling came back after throwing them out. OK so here's the top two. Let's move on. Yeah. About winning this team has won six straight and they've beaten some pretty good teams over the last few weeks. It's your New England Patriots are they are in a number for. Ha so you have to you have. The did Casey lose Mel. But as you did New England beat Kansas City had also noted. It out you know like a college committee Jim did you apply to each and make it into the corners don't. I existing why am I bet the pats over the she's ever since they beat the geez we can. Did you and except for last all I stay wiggle. What else can win could mean he really start from scratch Deborah Wahl credit. Routed Obama highway one winner OK patriots came big with a came through the huge win over Aaron Rodgers and company. I've them a number three. Aren't so you know it was a number 4 o'clock job. Wall. You know light law I'd. If you're jumbled this top four are now. You could give it to be in almost any order to justify that's the point I write this the entire point it to pretty crazy group that being instead of umpire with cheap home to dodger you're MVP in the making I'm really worried about what Holly's not you're trying to pull right now. Shocked implement isn't written already good teams have an owner you'll have caller or bald as we don't have just one team and number five I'm throwing your tireless and asked it'll look like we're justifying noted and I know your thing which you sign up for that conference championship matchup right now. Those two team go yeah yeah oh yeah yeah we we endorse that heavily write a death flu okay. Well grown over five days to would you you guys think suggests they noticed our alliance. Want the bull. Ladies. Resolve all the way today at a number of lull now but not against the chargers had been. Yet they were five and two but they hadn't really played anybody. They go up to Seattle I don't care what you think about the Seahawks this year it is hard to beat them there. And they really were up fifteen points late before they got a late touchdown but they made a defensive play to keep in the game chargers are legit at six into. But what I say I would had Carolina number three. Who you are now fully already know how do you have McGinn the how how well I would have I would know losses I would have Carolina. Number three or about what you do for me later on today your product are. All women are a lot on now like that juicy like Carolina. On as defense in general yeah. Yes Syria yes. There you better stop being of course is gonna stop and act that you can't justify having. There's a business series debate between the chargers in the panthers' so yeah department it's gonna. Wait a minute another. And I believe in this team had five B. Your pets bird steel irons modify a lot of my you know 5585 B. Okay almighty god why fight it fight me I guess I'm going after I wouldn't have Caroline number drugs and excellent wow thanks so very much. And really yeah. It was all sort of one big Jaya jello molded very interest in where that went. You know me along college basketball analyst their dockets. Joining us on the show opens old performance on didn't synthetic motor oil performance tool below. Make the switch depends on synthetic today not only does he do a great job Rosen college basketball is goes and podcasts courtside Greenberg dockets. New episodes weekly was on the ESPN app in the apple podcast. All right Dan do we all need to slow our roll we saw out of duke last night and specifically Zion Williamson because we all love Jay bell is he's a Smart guy he's a lawyer he went to duke. It was asked to strike resign in three words and these are three words he came up with all right and her crew. And where are you do our desire annoyance and duke freshman hype train. All my office where. The goal at 80. Last night. In in the Kentucky took over the they did coming at 10 o'clock I was down in Kentucky's everywhere at June Kentucky's. And Erica Williamson just absolutely. Destroy them made every big blue nation guy not only. Be quiet but what they're mild soap like what are we seeing no you know what. There's a number of things about duke circulate one design Williamson played little flair right I mean he talks at all that we got as a player. There's something about it then the third period. Look. Guys you all know this I mean. First game freshman year big crowd. And they come out and do what they did is a major army it really is amazing against a team fellows. Like Kentucky's good like. We went down Seth Greenberg and I went down that they're getting in the Bahamas there won't really go and they look like two junior varsity so no. Others argued thing in the world anymore it's all hyped up and excited let's let Zion well considered one of the early today. Listen I agree with that but let's let's. No I'm nobody else may do this today but let's try and do or put on your coaching chemical back to the coaching days. And look at Saigon and RJ now deeper from a coaching aspect of okay nobody is a perfect player. Soul what. Did you coming into this game and that obviously seen them play in their first college game what are you look at overall from a coaching standpoint. Are you might. Against Williams and number one thing is you got to Q and you just do it he's gonna make it three like late to start the game. Anything good you gave him too many angles you can't give an extremely loud people saw him go to his right. And dumped about where you left hander Kidd human thing I'll tell you why I'm sure same thing in line play I just don't create. That is if Williams and so big if you give him an ankle his body creates Elaine there's a difference between angling a guy. And the guy creating a lane so you've got to stick squared on him make him go owe you one other thing that I thought. That you know Kentucky just wasn't ready war. They made it too easy when he had the basketball bring it up to court nobody pressured him. You know and you say well he's guard against a break we'll talk you've got to get out there and make him uncomfortable. That would Williams and not it would Williams and tries to drive that you can't let them in the land you absent. Look he get in the lane is that he went into the middle little iron from the right side jumped up about three weeks. And shot a little slow to you just can't let amendment you can keep you you have to square him up. And force him to the bracelet to always have square mark. Would argue a parent I gotta tell you he likes to argue and hard. Or just some guy's acting here in the cracks so it's going to be. The people to his left or to his right defensively. I have to below what you call a gap. You're in the gap bowl when he gets the ball and not have to restart driver. You've got to be proactive and in the gap to make him see you're the under reported human thinks about football now. Let him penetrate and that's fine but don't let them break get what you. You see it every night in the NBA would change hardens weathering through getting to the rumor giving. I thought that and Kentucky's from a deep sense of staff tactical standpoint. Was just out there play your game I didn't think they had a very good setup at all that I never thought they would just they're out there the last thing it'll be quiet. We're young players. You gotta make the most comparable. Apart paper doesn't have a ball didn't always have to be on top of him meaning you can't let him just walk out if the basketball. You argue Barrett has worked to get the ball I guarantee you you're gonna see this throughout the course this season he's gonna become a burglar let suspect. Don't we do quite as we got a few more questions for you Dan Donald you gonna here tonight McCall the Ohio State Cincinnati game 6 o'clock eastern on ESP into not only the podcast. But also is the Dan docket chill on 1070 the pin Indy won a seven point five weekdays. From twelve to three and did as you're talking about all the superlatives. Are buried and reddish and Zion it's important point out. This Kentucky team is really good it's not like this was some slap me they started up against a Kentucky came into this game ranked number two and we expect them to be fantastic this year. Straight I'm telling you. Watching them doubt Obama as they played against crow's men and one team in particular Serbian team had a couple first round exit are probably seventeen NBA draft rescued seventeen NBA scouts. Bear to watch. Kentucky beat them by a third Kentucky bureau. This is they've really could you. Why they look completely inept. And more ways they've looked an uptrend this is why I'm I'm saying don't want to break saying the excitement is how good. Duke was due principally with the young guys not know Kentucky and the got scored some points I I give all that. What a difference in how easy it was port to score and how difficult it was for Kentucky to give an offensive rhythm was startling. End. You're right. I don't know how many rows around Kentucky outplayed by your war on overall that you just. Yeah dude beat a team. As badly as you can beat a team. Playing here is that you know six months ago. Look what I saw a sign Williams and highlight series in high school. I saw him playing against guys that are I swear it looked like my daughter. In my daughter's only like you know 56 yard. The board to guide in high school that look like we were happy you're on on our. Retirement don't feel hopeful it's like you do your part five of me so that would Brian Williams and dunks over their entire team. So used to the new guard maybe not. Well yeah yeah I mean they're real they just send the playbook let him go out there. Win Kentucky tried to go to ozone. It was a bunch of fresh. And absolutely do kill the gun to the metal found out opposite got a metal dropped down got to the middle shot earlier. Broke the gas was phenomenal last night Eric and our government to what you're Jack quite backlight. Was off the charts good last night the group. About you know let's go to the other game in the number one team at least for now in Kansas where now they hold off Michigan State make still a little bit of for a late run out of but. Kansas is the good number one team in our freshman lead the way Grimes he had 21. Off Howard I'm not gonna say compared to do put what do we say about them. Michael would you vote for number one Luke returns are. All. Right no right Noah and in and they just look better but Kansas is legitimately good to. Honestly it lost almost their test you can play over the war aren't rebounded I think your fourteen read about it Grimes was the guy. We're sitting there. And crimes against freshman first game. He makes I think it's like eleven in the first round in nine minutes and I sort of got in this low low but it never change expression. Like you expected to come here and again a big environment national TV opening day or cut out all that are stuck like you expected to come here. And just do what you did it which would go right really good guards like Lankford and and caches ones that are really good experienced back court. And that backcourt of has looked like Grimes. Was too much I don't I I think it's Kansas yesterday. It was clearly the second best team I feel like Kansas and duke. You know played three times would be really good game with duke is the way they played last night they'll speak but I don't really expect to do better and I. I would be surprised if it at this point right now. Also oracle guy all or those teams could make a final or run you know you're thrown into activists some others. But I thought all working last night in their own way. Other than Kentucky and I'm sort through the what Kentucky's got blasted and Kentucky look like you didn't belong which is shocking to me. A live report input I've been pretty good and conduct you get a lot better. I forget about fifteen seconds left Dan are all we all in on the high trainer are we looking at a potential undefeated Indiana team and this Duke Team again. No no I think that I think no I just think the crowds places I mean like that are too big. Potentially yes but I I don't think so we're about backup point guard. I do think that played a bit out of their minds last night not it's been since 76. I think 76 team will be doing the Mercury Morris popping champagne at some point either. Now the buzz kill go yeah yeah when you hear him up and toss down Dan. A lot of the bullpen middle or low iron I didn't want to play that we'll see tonight's 6 o'clock he's in the game original housing Cincinnati next door to their. What's not expect too much there's only one person out there that's expecting way too much part of this guy who really we know that is rooted his father. I smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker it really sort of controlled. My entire day. My bosses when the recommended Jules so I decided to give it attract you don't get any of the odor of smoking there's no ash all over your car I would say give it a try. Get the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette national lingering odor and switched to jewel chicken JUU well dot com slash sports if you don't smoker rigged. Don't start warning this product contains nicotine nicotine is addictive coming home. We are delighted to. To be joined by Tom waddle waddle and Sylvie. ESPN 1000 in Chicago he joins us on the shell Pennzoil performance line of course had a spectacular career as a wide receiver for the two Donald bears. But also proud BC grad. Had you been yet there are you going to be the guest picker and a college game day this week and I. You know I've heard the entire bowl oh you know Ohio and we both grew up in in Ohio yet have called I think you lost my numbers so a lot. No I don't expected to be guest picker but I am hoping for a big job performance from my Eagles that. Number two player the comes to town. And I you know sometimes that happens Zola it will snow it was sitting connect you guys Nancy were yeah I guess the other sort I'm sure that it happened. All right I'll but dye your sweet coach in the week again brought to you by California all mines are worried owned on this road. OK guys listen kind of a bear with me for a second here are my guys this week is Kyle Shannon. I think last Thursday night we saw just how important coaching and creative offensive play calling can be. I don't know. Who nick Malone's ultimately will be the last Thursday night he'd look like Joseph Montana. And I think in large part again it was the raiders' but I think in large part because. You have a guy who's very creative and knows how to skiing guys open and help out young quarterbacks and put his guys to positions. Two to make plays and I was very very impressed by salt and outstanding hands play calling it that we saw that here in Chicago. We met Maggie we obviously see it would Indy reading Kansas City another place to. And I think it may be. One of the issues that's plaguing other teams. So on the other side may be in ballots were you got a guy and Akron I. Have the support that toward big guys. You know calling created situations bird and so. Buildup to Kyle Shanahan credulity it group. All right if you you bring a bears in points on the we've been talking about obviously the last couple of days since the Monday night loss the cowboys had we just said most Johnson on. We're asking a couple of very specific questions because Troy Aikman basically said burn the whole thing down. President here he had to say he said complete overhaul I'm just putting low accelerant on that in terms of how the organization has built meaning Jerry Jones does most of the the football decisions there. That there's a couple of things to get in there with the cowboys do you think that can still work with Jerry Jones doing the majority of that. Well I had that so I mean look I I would definitely suggest they'd be open to eight. They need a restructuring of how they do things I mean Troy would know that situation better than anybody but it just it's not work it. It just sit for whatever reason I don't know who dat cute anymore either use fantastic in his rookie season that. Now you can argue that there's a lack of creativity in the play calling the black as he would what they're doing is not a lot of talent around him. Not until one injuries have obviously given them some niches. They got a deep sense that you could certainly compete with that offensively it just. I can't hear it looked. It didn't gain you got to know the game that geared to offset the no longer eat just line up and you pound the rocket dropped seven that and you throw the post you combo all day long and it. If you can't protect and you can't run the ball. Your play calling in your skiing meaning you game planned have to help your quarterback he kind of moved pockets sucks. God on creative ways to run the football and I just don't see that happening so whoever's in charge of what's going on there aren't they. They need to do little self scouting here and see why they're not successful but I look at. Offensively at least not a lot to work with and certainly not a whole lot of creativity on it we can and we can update. And we don't see salute our fallen Tommy in your mind when you when you have to self scout yourself. Well I mean from salt downing each each coaching staff what. Put a man in charge who owns the team and and is willing to talk after every game and he's got to keep that group employed so. Got not one that is always calling per guys' job to art you guys know this it's hard to play in this league it's hard coach in this lake. It's ultra competitive but at the end of the day it's results oriented business and at least he's consistent mediocrity from the team on a number of fronts so. And look at it wouldn't when Jerry is in charge of making all these decisions and ultimately eat. He held accountable Leo looking so what's he gonna do firing so open that happen. No it isn't because that would be the owner's job and he's the owner yeah. Tom waddle what does he is due 1000 Chicago oak hills about the Chicago bears' Tommie they go and do what a good team should do tap dance a bad team on the road. And the reason I say that's what they should do because they didn't do it earlier this year when they went down to Miami had a backup quarterback albeit. They better backup quarterback than what the bills are working with in Nathan Peterman right now. Did they learn from that experience and you think that played out and how they handle the business against the bills. Yes I think that split apart and it trick for sure I think we talked at that time that you're young team had to learn how to win games now. I don't wanna quit the dolphins on a pedestal but the circumstances surrounding that game a little differently than the one here in Chicago Kent jet. The jets were without their top two receivers top running back and that rookie quarterback who's definitely up and down in the bills. They set offense back years every time they walk onto the field so I'll go with that side yeah yeah and skewed young looking at the learn how to win and and they did just that any convincing fashion an afternoon when they're opt out was a little stagnant and in stale the defense. At Upton in carried the day they did it without Lil Matt and on the other side of the ball no Alan Roberts and so would all of that said. Like it was more a little more difficult over the next. Several days you played Detroit this weekend then they get the vikings come in the town toppled by may seem to have found a bit yet to their questions. And then you played on Thanksgiving Day against the lions so I wish I could sit here and tell you I know exactly the payers are. I know there's five answering atop the division and in further along than many expected. But because the level competition Indian experience in the optical huddle at I'm not sure who they are yet it can be on the watch over the next three games. Tommy what what team that's not leading its division are you buying into teams like Tennessee or Cincinnati and others like dad were just. Just not at the top yet but but some sometimes playing well. I Cincinnati's been accused he wanted but that the engine AJ green to me is obviously going to do these shows stop I don't not keys in his exciting that they are. If they can. Protect the quarterback well not for the magical ride to continue to titans to a lot of nice things that there. It'll do and not on top but look I think it team. It'd getting attention from guys like you but maybe I'm not on the were brought from the average oh and that don't live in the state I think chargers are game. And maybe people are we're looking at six and two. Look acting can slap ply anything yet and they've been doing all about kicker in the solved some of their ticket Bob Hope I think by making it change. I'm not exactly sure how many snaps. Enjoyed both dismissed when Edgar on the field is is much as anyone would like slate gets me yeah I means yet so. Think about what they're doing without. One of their top players Melvin Gordon to new guises. Todd Gurley and others get all the attention and for good reason Melvin Gordon is in that conversation may runner yeah as a receiver. So I think charges are seeing across the board. Yeah we should all look at and I do think they did get some recognition because they are sick and too but maybe not as much because they're in the same division with the chiefs there's human I'm sure. Well listen we we ran the numbers this week on an NFL primetime and op. Scrimmage touchdowns no personal Morse Todd Gurley that's how productive. A mellowed Gordon has been there Tom waddle what is reais in 1000 wobble on Soviet Chicago the other team I wanna ask about because like I think they might actually just be starting to be a really good team. Houston Texans they've won six straight games and you well know Tommy it doesn't matter who you play winning six straight games in the NFL is really really hard. It's also hard to do after losing your first three games. And the reason why I think they have a chance to be really really interesting is that the Shawn Watson is just about a year out right now. From the torn ACL he's beginning to look better JJ watt as healthy cloudy sell only Whitney merciless itself. And the one thing they lost in wolf Fuller they picked up at the trade died deadline in various Thomas. This team is note I'm not saying they're going to be chiefs good or patriots good. But I think they're going to be in the conversation when it comes push comes to shove in the AFC. Yet the only thing that concerns me with them it is. It's that they're not they've really proficient running team which then puts a lot of pressure on Sean to make all these plays on his own and he got as you mentioned trail lot of weapons around him. Even sacked thirty times now I know young quarterbacks running backs on the I'm sure he's guilty of that. It died young man's been running for his life in in in my concern would be is that. At some point somebody's gonna catch him on the one thing that you can't denies defensively. That you got a bead on you as long as they're healthy. There is crafted defensively. If anyone in the league so yeah I and that play in a very manageable. Divisions so. I give definitely have to give them you have to think about them because they're they're starting quarterback play and it in the talent around him but. I think it probably place them behind if you had detained in the NBA Gypsy at the court I'd look at the pages you'd gotten that great it started. One into and then what they've won six in a row Tom Brady looked at each point five. The one with the defense and if you can name you don't stick to their defensive players on any given Sunday. God bless you because Bill Belichick is continuing to do what he does every single year they suited seven into the look like the same thing we always say. Tonga to finish up on my side this we're into week can remember early in the year we were crawling baker may feel we are crowning Sam Arnold. Josh Rosen had gotten in restarted the talk about him John Allen's been hurts all well leave him out of this right now. But where the rookie quarterbacks are are now actually hitting that rookie wall and looking like rookie quarterbacks what are you seeing out of them frozen time. I see young guy's struggling where it seems that need to be upgraded around and this is why might I don't get on the I don't get on the young quarterback roller coaster. We can get on it would admit she's in the second year in which color guy like that you have. What is high is you go and you go as low as you go back there you go you're gonna throw up all over yourself. And if you ride that young quarterback roller coaster you're asking for trouble I would write any of these guys are. Door that project any of them to be superstars. I just have to sit back and watch quoted we think Jack was going to be who do we. Derek Karr was going to be. Mean there are stories in in the narratives that change each and every week each and every month and year by year with all these young guys so if I would instead of the Cleveland Browns have been excited about that you. And guard only take care of football club brought it to the other team. You know there are criticism to be made a lot of these young quarterback but I would just preached patience with all of them because things change so quickly. Yet Tommy just broke quickly tree flower box and run guy Gilmore both reported slam Robertson would you I don't straight because you're you're loaded gun off and let's go low. And that's where. I got eight have do it day by brotherly appreciated thanks very much thanks Tommy I. Is that the best of goalie can we go podcast. You can listen or subscribe on ESP NF. Apple podcast boy. Just ask your smarts they could play goal again lingo plus you can check the guys out live weekday mornings from 6 to 10 eastern. On ESPN radio and on ESPN news. 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